The township lost $35 million of its tax base between this year and last year, a loss that is contributing to the average homeowner being asked to pay $182 more in school taxes, officials said.
The average homeowner's property is valued at $229,000.
While the number may seem large, it only represents a small portion of Wayne's $5.2 billion tax base.
“The tax levy isn’t the only portion of the budget that impacts local taxes,” said Juanita Petty, the Wayne School District’s business administrator.
Petty and the Board of Education gave a presentation Tuesday about the district’s proposed budget for the 2012-2013 school year.
The $182 represents a 3.3 percent increase for the average homeowner. The district’s proposed tax levy is approximately $129.8 million. Of that $129.7 million, $117.2 million would fund employee salaries and benefits, a nearly 4 percent increase year to year. The district spent $4 milllion on instructional supplies this school year. It is projecting to spend about $3.3 million this year.
In an effort to keep taxes down, the board has opted not to add an additional $1.7 million in banked cap funds. The town council cut $1.7 million from last year’s $126.6 million tax levy in May of last year after taxpayers voted it down in April.
“We have two goals: One is to be fiscally prudent, the other is to ensure that we continue to make this district excellent and move it forward,” board trustee Mitchell Badiner previously said.
District officials will hold another public hearing on the budget on Monday, March 26. Officials may discuss possible cuts to programs and services. The district’s final budget is scheduled to be approved at a special meeting March 29.
Pad
5:58 am on Thursday, March 22, 2012
I have said this all along. Tax revenue is down and as far as the BOE being fiscally prudent nothing could be further from the truth. They are the main reason for the exodus out of town. They spend, spend & spend.
Rob Burke
6:23 am on Thursday, March 22, 2012
I disagree about the reason for the exodus regarding the shrinking of the tax base. The positive ratables are businesses in Town, not residences. Residential real estate is a negative ratable -- they cost more in services than they provide in taxes.
If the Council weren't so business un-friendly, there would be fewer reasons for businesses to either leave the Town or simply never come here. There are a lot of folks who simply refuse to do business here -- especially architects, engineers, builders and others who must get involved with planning & zoning because this Town has the deserved reputation of being difficult to deal with. Even Christie's office (when he was US Attorney) joined a lawsuit against the Town for religous discrimination in zoning regarding the mosque lawsuit. Then there's the sports dome. Then there's my wind turbine. Now there's the dormitories for the school that wants to relocate from Clifton to Wayne. These are the ones that have gotten some ink in the press -- there are plenty more. So add these up together and put dollars next to them. Guess what? They total millions of dollars in litigation costs and lost tax revenue. And don't forget the big box stores that wanted Rt 23 in Wayne but were pushed into neighboring towns by the powers that be. Mo' money, mo' money, mo' money -- gone.
Its a cop out for the Town leadership to blame the shrinking of the tax base for their tax increases, when they have been the reason for the shrinking.
Bobtwo
8:15 am on Thursday, March 22, 2012
So Rob, you are telling me that the 11 - 12 thousand a year I pay in taxes just barely covers my 2 garbage pickups a week. Let's stop kidding each other, my tax bill shows over 50% for the schools.
Rob Burke
8:22 am on Thursday, March 22, 2012
No, Bob, not at all. I'm saying the opposite. Town's profit from the real estate taxes paid by businesses as compared to the services they provide businesses. Conversely, the services provided by towns to residences cost more than the taxes towns collect from them. In general, the lowest taxed communities are the ones where businesses are shouldering a larger chunk of the real estate tax obligations. I'm saying the same thing you are saying -- schools are expensive to run, and the more students you have, the more expensive they become. Businesses don't send kids to school but they contribute to the school budget through their property tax payments. It would be better for all of us if Wayne were able to suddenly become interested in attracting more businesses and collecting more tax revenue from them.
ltwayne
9:47 am on Thursday, March 22, 2012
Is it possible that you are a little biased in your opinion because of the wind turbine dispute?
There are many households that pay taxes and do not have children in the school system. How about all the senior housing. Yes businesses do pay alot in taxes, but I do not think that I would like to have a big box store or a wind turbine close to my home.
Rob Burke
10:05 am on Thursday, March 22, 2012
@ltwayne: Its not that businesses pay a lot of taxes. Its that when evaluated collectively, residential development is a negative ratable and business development is a positive ratable. That's not to say that a community should try to become 100% business, obviously. But money to fund municipal budgets has to come from somewhere. Better it should come from a strong tax roll funded by businesses rather than burdening homeowners.
As far as living near a bog box store? I don't blame you for not wanting to live next to one. You don't have to. Regarding living near my wind turbine? Couple points:
1 -- There still isn't one and my lawsuit is still not settled.
2 -- You probably wouldn't want to live near a car wash, either. Its noisy and there's traffic all day long, every day. Anyone who bought a house next to a busy car wash knew what they were buying into. But I digress...
Tom Troncone
10:23 am on Thursday, March 22, 2012
Hey gang, Rob is actually correct here, when we say 'tax base' we are talking about ratables, which means businesses.
ltwayne
10:54 am on Thursday, March 22, 2012
My point here is that: there are many factors involved in approving a permit for use of a business property. For example: what about the traffic congestion. People from other communities will use the roads in Wayne, to get to the big box stores. What about added police?. The traffic congestion in Wayne is already horrible.
As far as your wind turbine is concerned, I am no where near your car wash but I am sure if I owned a home anywhere near your business. I wound not want to look at it every day. Also once a permit is granted for you to build a turbine then other businesses will be wanting to do so. So are we going to have wind turbines popping up all over town? I would not want one near my house. Question: do you live in Wayne?
Rob Burke
11:05 am on Thursday, March 22, 2012
@ lt -- The several issues you raise are why we have zoning. As you know, there are industrial zones, residential zones, business zones, mixed zones and so on. My property is in a business zone. And my minor site plan complied with all of the ordinances and laws applicable. Yet the Town decided to play a heavy handed game with me. That's why they lost in court more than a few times, and I prevailed. As far as other applications being approved, that depends on what laws are in place and whether the applications conform with them. The Town subsequently adopted restrictive ordinances (that are probably in violation of state law) that make it very unlikely that you will see wind turbines anywhere else.
I do not live in Wayne, to answer your other question directly. And that fact did not influence Passaic County Assignment Judge Donald J. Volkert, Jr. from holding that the Town violated the law by denying my application. It turns out that in America, my property rights are independent no matter my race, my ethincity, skin color, gender or home address. And, incidentally, I pay $34,000 a yr in property taxes to Wayne.
ltwayne
11:37 am on Thursday, March 22, 2012
Bob,
I am sure that there are business owners in your town that at one time or another, have had the same problem you do.
Question: Would you like to have a wind turbine or a big box store built near you, where it would affect the value of your property or your quality of life?
I have heard of your situation before but I am not all that familiar with it.
I do not have time to debate this anymore, but thank you for paying you $34000 in property taxes. if I am ever in your part of town and need my car washed, I will stop in and pay you to wash my car. Have a great day.
Rob Burke
11:49 am on Thursday, March 22, 2012
@ lt -- Thanks for your post. But you're ignoring the obvious. Anyone who buys a home adjacent to a business zone does so with full disclosure. And they pay less for their home as a result. That's what a few people did -- they bought houses next to a car wash. Then they complained that I sought to further develop my business-zoned parcel in full compliance with all laws.
What came next does not happen routinely, as a matter of course, across the State of NJ in all 566 municipalities. I believe the more usual response from elected officials is one that follows the law -- Wayne officials did the opposite, and broke the law. In so doing, they displayed behavior unbecoming to elected officials.
The point remains: A business-hostile attitude displayed by the Council is a disincentive to businesses to stay in or move to Wayne. That hurts every taxpayer and is completely within the control of said officials to change.
Justice
7:05 am on Thursday, March 22, 2012
I believe 475 Valley, the school administrators and teachers are willing to take a voluntary pay cut along with contributing to their health insurance and benefits. That will only begin to bring the budget down. We the people, we the taxpayers are suffocating with the taxes that these entities have created without our approval. Time to cast them out.
Rob Burke
7:25 am on Thursday, March 22, 2012
Let's not forget Councilboob Scuralli, Mr. Business Friendly himself. Scuralli, with his venom and hate, had the audacity to brazenly lie at a Council meeting -- in my absence -- claiming I don't pay property taxes in Wayne! Funniest part of that is the family business that he inherited (and since shuttered), had the word "Wayne" in its name but was located in Totowa!!!! My canceled checks for $34,000/yr in property taxes are made payable to Township of Wayne. Scuralli's were to Totowa!
Despicable -- hardly business friendly. Is there really any mystery why businesses avoid Wayne and/or leave? Who in there right mind would knowingly subject themselves to this sort of treatment?
Al Scala
7:22 am on Thursday, March 22, 2012
The BOE is now in their spinning mode. They will pull anything out of their hat to spin information. This is bullcrap. If thiis is the case, why did they hire a PR firm for 30k a year.Why did they hire a new Ass't Super for about 155-160K/ yr, if things are "SHRINKING" that much, why spend our hard earned tax dollars on these expenses. We haven't had a Ass't Super for about 5 years now and have gotten along just fine without one. Why did the Asst Business Administrator get 2 5K raises in one year? These people are spin artists and need to be defeated at the polls. GET RID OF THEM!
Justice
7:51 am on Thursday, March 22, 2012
I think the services of an exorcist are in order.
Peter Rymwid
7:51 am on Thursday, March 22, 2012
It is hard for me to understand this 4% salary increase of a town employees.
People don't get raises for years since the economy crises, and Wayne is still running business like a blind. Money is being spend like we never had recession, police force is increasing. We keep increasing already very high taxes in Wayne while other towns are decreasing it. More than 25% of citizens here are on the verge of bankruptcy, loosing jobs and and foreclosing their homes.
They think people will pay anyway. But the middle class which represent most of the people in Wayne is broke already. Our government here should finally step down from the clouds and realize that.
Rob Burke
6:21 am on Friday, March 23, 2012
Whe did you get the 4% town employee raise from? Vergano, still focused on the challenges of 2010 on waynetownship.com said he locked in 1.5% increases for 4 years:
"We continue to examine all facets of the budget to find areas where money can be saved or where we can do things more efficiently. In 2010, we have continued to reduce, through attrition, the number of people employed by the Township. Since 2008, many positions have been eliminated from the budget resulting in an accumulated savings to date of approximately $1,500,000. This year, the Township has, with the exception of necessary seasonal positions, such as those at our recreation facilities, eliminated summer jobs. Additionally, we recently finalized labor contracts with our upper management and mid-level management groups that have basically frozen salaries for 2010 and locked in minimal increases of 1 - 1.5% a year over the next four years. This was achieved, while also getting givebacks on health benefits and holidays. I am grateful to these two groups for doing their part and look forward to the same level of cooperation from our other labor groups next year."
Justice
7:55 am on Thursday, March 22, 2012
They should have to pay for their benefits, just like the rest of us. We should force them to have coverage through their spouses employers. Private industry is doing it already.
Scondo
8:42 am on Thursday, March 22, 2012
Rob, point one regarding the mosque, it would have been tax exempt and thus does not really play into this discussion. Same as this regarding the dormitories, religious school , would have been exempt. National economic factors leading to loss of a couple of car dealerships, shuttered restaurants. Two large shopping malls essentially defunct. The Leased MV building vacant, increasing govt exempt buildings at county and William Paterson , vacant headquarter building on valley road. Those are issues thar the town really can't control. But at the same time there is no effort to control spending, as pointed out by the public relations firm being hired.
Rob Burke
9:25 am on Thursday, March 22, 2012
Scondo -- you're only partly correct but still missing the point. The hostility that the Town demonstrates toward businesses is extremely well documented, and not just with me. Fact is that many business owners are afraid to stand up for themselves for fear of retaliation -- believe me when I tell you that many business owners have sought me out to give me a big 'atta boy' who couldn't care a wit about a wind turbine. They are grateful I refused to cave in to the Town's heavy handed behavior.
That said, while the mosque would have been exempt from real estate taxes, you are incorrect about the private school. And the same is not true of the sports dome, Wayne Auto Spa or the big box stores on Rt 23 who could be lightening our tax burden instead of Riverdale's.
Its not about macroeconomic issues outside the Town's control. Its entirely about issues completely within the Town's control that I am focused on. And they simply can't control themselves. They allow their emotions to influence their governance.
Need I remind you that the pissed away $50,000 fighting over a piece of paper, and were deemed "frivolous" by a unanimous three judge panel at the Appellate Division?
Responsible stewards of our tax dollars would never, ever do such a thing. Ever.
John
8:55 am on Thursday, March 22, 2012
Sadly, only Mr. Burke understands the point of this article....maybe the rest of you should not bash the educators, but rather go back to school to learn. The town spends more time and effort driving out businesses than luring them. And at what price? So 10-20 residents keep their neighborhoods unchanged while 50,000 other residents pay for their benefit. The sports dome property should have been paid for by a special tax levy on that neighborhood only. The rest of the town went from lower taxes to higher taxes do they could have a field to play on. I say develop the land with ball fields for our youth then...
ltwayne
9:40 am on Thursday, March 22, 2012
Teacher’ salaries and benefits are way out of line because of the union. School vouchers is the only answer.
Another reason why Wayne Taxes are so high is that; it is part of Passaic County. 23 % of your property taxes go to the county and we get virtually nothing tangible back in return.
Scondo
9:41 am on Thursday, March 22, 2012
Rob, Your point is just a little myopic, my point is the broad view. Your point That the town would approach business interest in the way that they handled your application and request in such a reprehensible manner is well made. But we can not ignore things like Wayne Hills Mall and Wayne Town Center and Wayne Dodge and Preakness Chevrolet . I am not arguing (nor did I )your point as invalid, quite the contrary it is most valid, but there are other issues that must be factored in the mix, not the least of which is spending. Hopefully they do not base their collective decisions on the emotionalism you point to, for that would seem to say that the leadership is immature.
Rob Burke
10:00 am on Thursday, March 22, 2012
Not really, Scondo. Let's take your example of Preakness Chevrolet. A well respected business owner in Wayne wanted to open a garden center there and put the property back to work. My understanding is that these plans were met with a brick wall from the Township. And the business owner changed their plans and opened up in a neighboring community. So, you are correct that the Town can't control the auto industry. But they certainly can do a better job dealing with businesses.
Rob Burke
10:15 am on Thursday, March 22, 2012
@Scondo -- PS -- I agree 100% that revenue is only half the equation, and spending is the other half. That's why $50,000 spent fighting over a piece of paper wasn't just "frivolous" as per the Appellate Division, it was fiscally reprehensible. That's why squandering a $2.3 million grant for solar panels that in turn would have saved tens of millions of dollars from the municipal budget was beyond the pale. Try focusing on no-bid contracts and judgments against corrupt elected officials that the Town let slide. Everywhere you look, its all around us. Yet we seem to be too blind to see the obvious.
Squeakyfoot
9:45 am on Thursday, March 22, 2012
Property is only worth what some-one is willing to pay for it, but this projected increase isn't about "worth" it's about "support". 80% of the budget is going to salaries and benefits with a 4% increase attached. That means 117 million of the 130 million sticker price is going to funding the employees of the corporation that has done nothing towards promoting it advancement. In addition to some new vacancies, the town is still plagued by the same "out of business" virus from years and years of continued neglect and abuse.
Petty's plea that "the show must go on" can't be justified when all the public sees are the township's corporate leaders demoting themselves.
Tom Troncone
10:38 am on Thursday, March 22, 2012
We added some context to the story this morning that probably should have been included last night: "While the number may seem large, it only represents a small portion of Wayne's $5.2 billion tax base."
Bob
10:42 am on Thursday, March 22, 2012
Wayne is OUT OF CONTROL!!!!! I think that sums it all up, and most of what has been said here is very true. This is what will happen when you have fools who don"t know what they are doing in control of the money. And what is being said about doing business here is right, all the contractors I know tell me its impossible to get things done in town hall. Home owners also have a hard time with the building department causing people to jump through hoops to get permits approved.
And the worst of them all, THE BOE , they have ALWAYS run wild with spending, giving themselves BIG salaries and increases while the school buildings look like antiques held together with spit and wax. The taxes will never stop going up, and people will continue to leave this town, I am just one person, who knows 8 people who already got out, how many others are there who are already looking to, or have??. I know that I will as soon as the housing market gets better!!
Justice
10:56 am on Thursday, March 22, 2012
I don't need to go back to school. I have degrees and certifications that did not come from "teachers". I will continue to request that the so-called "profession" give up something. Furthermore, a profession that needs the cover of a union is not a profession. Unions are/were created for the working class' protection, not for the bastardization that it has become as respects to teachers and government workers.
Justice
11:00 am on Thursday, March 22, 2012
I have come across many people in my business dealings who purposely forgoe health benefits on their employer's plans and select their partner's plans who work for the government. They do so because it is cheaper and more coverage on the government plans than on their employer's private plans. Whereas I cannot fault their economic decisions, I resent having to pay taxes for someone else's household to be better positioned economically than I am in my household. This is true for all the small businesses who have to pay for their own benefits or risk financial devastation in case of illness.
Justice
11:05 am on Thursday, March 22, 2012
Health benefits - getting back to my earlier point, many Fortune 500 companies are now requiring affidavits/signed statements from their employees as respects to spouse's/partner's coverage. This is smart as it is saving a fortune. Many people foolishly waste the company's money by still carrying insurance on themselves when they are covered by the spouse, especially in cases where the employee pays zero premium. Let's get REAL affidavits from town employees/teachers/administrators and watch how many rats run.
Scondo
12:04 pm on Thursday, March 22, 2012
@Rob, If in fact that garden center wanted to operate from Preakness Chevrolet and was thwarted in the effort by the town that is awful, I had not heard anything of any attempt to place anything there, but that would not be unusual. It can just as easily be a situation where the size and the scope did not make sense when it came down to the plan. But certainly the town should not be standing in the way of business attempting to do something with the tract. I sometimes believe that the over the top requirements, i.e. traffic studies, engineering escrows, environmental impact studies are nothing more than a means to help contibutors. Your points vis a vis your own situation are well made and well understood as being entirely inappropriate to the town.
Rob Burke
12:13 pm on Thursday, March 22, 2012
Well, sadly, I have the information from a very reliable source. I don't want to get any more specific than that -- everyone fears retaliation.
Sandy Fantau
12:12 pm on Thursday, March 22, 2012
If I'm not mistaken, the budget must be voted on because it is over cap.
Perhaps the most far-reaching consequence is districts that switch their elections to November are no longer compelled to put their budgets before voters for approval, provided they stay within the 2 percent tax levy cap. Any requests for spending above the cap would be presented to the voters in November.
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2012/02/scores_of_nj_school_districts.html
Pad
3:23 pm on Thursday, March 22, 2012
This town is buisness un-friendly. The Mayor & Council have done nothing to attract ratables. State Farm Building vacant almost 20 years etc etc. They hassle buisness's and homeowners. The BOE hands out six figure jobs all the time and keeps creating new positions all the time. The 35 million dollar loss is not counting the ton of tax appeals they are getting this year and most will be won. They need to learn the meaning of zero increase until things get better. Over 300 homes in foreclosure and people moving out all the time. # 1 reason? Taxes in Wayne are driving them out. Do we need to promote Pandolfi and hire another Principle for Anthony Wayne? No not really they are creating a position for someone. Taxpayers should attend every BOE meeting and demand spending cuts. The recently hired PR firm? Just hired to do damage control for the BOE's bad publicity. The amount of cover up in this town is amazing and the taxpayers foot the bill.
Justice
4:26 pm on Thursday, March 22, 2012
@PAD, I remember the lobby that the residents behind the State Farm building formed to prevent Lowe's from developing there. It is ashamed that the energy and fundraising done to prevent ratables isn't being done to keep the property taxes in check. Conveniently, the current Mayor of Wayne lives in that area at the present time.
Pad
5:53 pm on Friday, March 23, 2012
@Justice, The Mayor is a coward. Everytime there has been an issue he hid and kept his mouth shut ie: The football players assault, the fire inspector arrested, the flood victims left to fend for themselves etc etc. I guess he learned to bug out years ago when another Mayor was arrested. Not much has changed. The Mayor and Council most come from the BOE and they won't stand up to them about thier budget and make only minor cuts while the taxpayers and the township die a slow death. We need leaders with courage, morals and vision to lead this Township. Not the spineless worms we have. They are more for themselves then the taxpayers. We need change. The BOE for sure has to go. Imagine they hired a PR firm to handle thier dirty laundry when it often happens.
Rob Burke
7:45 pm on Friday, March 23, 2012
I'm not sure you can conclude that the Mayor is a coward. It's equally likely that he is a thoughtful man who games out scenarios to figure out what plays best for him, at least in his opinion based on his personal calculus. That's what governance has become -- what's in it for me, not 'how can I best serve the people.'
Tip O'Neil was famous for a lot of things, but his quote 'All politics is local' has never been more true. The local governments are where the biggest frauds on the populace are perpetrated.
Wheres the Plan
5:55 pm on Thursday, March 22, 2012
Residential, Business, Industrial, and Open Space uses are part of a Master Plan the Township has approved and used as a model to insure adequate, enjoyable and appropriate use of the lands within the township. The Master Plan of Wayne since the build up in the late forties and early fifties has ALWAYS included a mix of all uses to ensure the ratables were present to offset the Residential uses that actually cost the same if not more than they pay.
This township under its Planning and Zoning Departments, the Board of Adjustment and Council have over the last 20 years aborted that mix in an attempt to ensure voting favor with the residents.
Obviously no one wants to live next to a Box store, an industrial use, a car wash, etc, but thats what happens when you buy property on the edge of a residential zone near those uses. And yes, there is traffic on Rt 23. Its a highway people!
The damage done over the last 20 years by spot-zoning and exclusionary zoning will never be undone, and the same residents that want to see the town revert to its agricultural past and complain about very nominal non residential uses are going to pay for their shortsightedness and NIMBY attitudes.
Rob Burke
7:07 pm on Thursday, March 22, 2012
Well said.
What's more is that the Council has during that same period thumbed their noses at residents who dared complain when the Town damaged their homes. The most notorious example resulted in a NJ Supreme Court published decision called Lyons v. Township of Wayne. In that case, the Town did some work that affected the flow of subsurface water which in turn damaged the Lyons' property. Lyons -- without an attorney -- sued the Town and kept winning. At trial, at the Appellate Division and then at the Supreme Court. Instead of doing the right thing, they litigated with a resident who they damaged. Instead of quitting while they were behind, they filed appeal after appeal. Does this reflect a culture, an ingrained attitude that has come to dominate the Governing Body & Administration?
No shelters during the floods. A gag order handed down by Vergano -- Thou shalt not speak of the flooding. While they allow other officials convicted of crimes who were sued by a prior Administration to escape without paying a dime of the hundreds of thousands of dollars they owed us taxpayers.
In my view, the goal of government isn't about hurting people in order to help others. Its about fairness and must always comply not just with legal rules but moral guidelines.
Justice
7:15 am on Friday, March 23, 2012
Based on this major discrepancy as regards salary increases, we need the name of the town auditors who are supposed to be doing unbiased, independent audits of this township
Pad
5:41 pm on Friday, March 23, 2012
You wanna do an audit. The fianances and spending of taxpayers money by the BOE should be examined by State auditors. There should be a full disclosure. Sooner or later the BS in this town is going to come to light and many will have a lot of explaining to do. This can't go on any longer. The Township will be in deep fianancial trouble. Taxable income down, increased BOE spending and hiring = fianancial disaster. 35 million loss as of now with a bigger loss to come with all the tax appeals and more vacant and foreclosed properties. What don't they get?
kenneth m. wiatrak
2:25 am on Monday, March 26, 2012
part of the problem here is continued 1 party rule !!!!!! we need some competition. lets not forget the flooding. 1 more major and we will lose more ratables which have already been threatened. and now mayor ostrich announces a major road repair project while nothing is allocated to flooding. this will accomplish more in the long run than some pot hole repairs at an enormous cost. flooding costs affects everyone i.e. declining real estate sales in the prone areas affects all sales in town.
Rob Burke
6:20 am on Monday, March 26, 2012
One party rule deprives taxpayers from checks and balances against corruption. However, since Murphy finally drove a stake through Vampire Rumana's heart, the prospect of County republican unification increases the likelihood of sustained one party rule, like it or not. That one party rule breeds corruption is well established here in Wayne. Just look at what's already been publicized:
1 -- Rumana gets caught self dealing and breaking the public bidiing laws by snatching the $2.3 MM grant from the State to the Town to buy solar panels, and the entire Council sits silently, doing nothing to remedy our loss.
2 -- The Town wins judgments against former Town Attorney Cavaliere and allows him to escape without paying a dime, doesn't even try to collect. Instead, hires his son to represent the planning board for more than a decade. Huh??? You can't make this stuff up.
3 -- Nadine Bello's husband -- a convicted felon, forever barred from holding public office -- is nevertheless appointed by Rumana and reappointed by Vergano, to Chair the Wayne Environmental Commission. Bello's conviction involved kickbacks, and these folks put him in a post where he touches every single land use application in Town! Meanwhile, Counciwoman Bello married the crook while he was doing time and yet stayed silent on the Council while her husband illegally held office in Wayne.
What response from the one-party Council? Same old, same old -- silence.
Wake up and smell the coffee
Al Scala
8:27 am on Monday, March 26, 2012
Frankly, I don't know who is worse, out town council or our BOE. Ironically, the common denominator is that both boards are ruled by Rumana republicans. If there isn't change in this town, things will stay the same and taxes will continue to rise. I'm a republican, but I am not a Rumana republican. I don't subsribe to the way these guys run our government and educational system. In education, our test scores are going down and our taxes are going up! And we continue to hire people at exorbitant salaries! Are we going to reward our trustees by re-electing them? I certainly hope not. With all the questionable things going on in our town government, and the ethical questions raised, I think our town government is about a half step above the Messercola government we had back in the Eighties!
Justice
8:36 am on Monday, March 26, 2012
The BOE also needs to have pay to play for sports. I resent having to pay for any sports at these schools; when education is blatantly ignored along with the arts. This is not Texas where football reigns. This is metropolitan New York where the arts reign. The BOE is not in touch; they cater to the footballites whose primary objective is to have their descendants obtain obscene scholarships, not available to the student who prefers the arts. Again, this is not Texas, where oil and football seem to go hand in hand.
Justice
8:51 am on Monday, March 26, 2012
Actually, things were better during the Messercola mess. Taxes were much lower, proportionally speaking. The school system was rated one of the highest in the state. The missing factors were Olsen, BOE, Council, one-party dictatorship. Sports were given the same emphasis as the arts had. It was healthy.
Wayne Parent
10:33 am on Monday, March 26, 2012
Justice and Al...lets make a deal. You want so very much to treat public employees like employees in the private sector. So...during a recession, public employees will take pay cuts. But, if we have a big, decade long boom, and housing prices double and the Dow Industrial Average rises 15% a year (happened not too long ago)...you raise the teachers benefits and salaries accordingly. The problem with people like you is that you dont want the free market to work all the time...just when it is convenient. Anyone looking at this with an eye to the free market would realize that public employees have made a rational, free market decision. They have given up the upside in the boom times for protection/stability on the downside. You want them to participate in the downside and be happy with what they get on the upside.
Al Scala
10:56 am on Monday, March 26, 2012
Wayne Parent......What I want along with I think all taxpayers is to have our town gov't run efficiently, cost wise and to have honest and open government. Is that too much to ask for? There are too many things that are politically tainted where it is clear that party and power come before the people. Many of them have been posted over the last year or so. As far as our BOE goes, I want the best possible education given to our children at the most reasonable cost. Is that too much to ask for. I run my own business and have to sacrifice when things are not good. I just can't assess thousands of taxpayers to pay up for what I want or feel I need. I have to be prudent and efficient. I expect them to do the same.
Rob Burke
11:11 am on Monday, March 26, 2012
For what its worth, and to state the obvious: If you want a high quality public education you need good teachers. If you turn teachers into punching bags, some of the best ones will decide to do something else. If you retain horrible teachers due to cronyism or some other reason, the kids taught by them will lose out.
And I think this country can make the comeback of the century only with a major focus on education. We are less competitive globally today than we were 20 years ago, and our education system has fallen down.
That said, I agree wholeheartedly with Al. Its enough with the lack of transparency and corruption throughout this local government. We deserve better and the government officials are obligated to serve honestly in our collective best interests. And they haven't been, and that's been well established.
Sure, Rumana was toppled. Big deal. That didn't change my taxes or yours. It didn't clean up the Township government.
You really want change? Posting on WaynePatch is an essential tool to accomplish that -- but its not enough. Mobilize now, before election time. Get involved. Have community bbq's and coffee klatch's. Get the conversation going and keep it going. Don't wait til October or November. Take control of our future. You can do it if you want to.
Justice
12:10 pm on Monday, March 26, 2012
@Wayne Parent, what you are stating does not make sense. Private sector employees have worked long hours without additional pay and often without incentives. I have yet to see evidence of public employees working an extra minute without some form of incentive, whether is financial or favors. Show me, a side by side comparison of hours, benefits etc. since the early 80's when the United States business environment became globally influenced. Again, show me the money.
Wayne Parent
1:14 pm on Monday, March 26, 2012
Justice. Are you serious or delusional? So...people in the private sector, in good markets, just keep their flat salaries? When employees of technology companies experienced the boom in the late 90s, they weren't rewarded? When housing prices skyrocketed, real estate brokers, landlords and property managers didnt experience an economic increase? Rational people who enter the private sector do so because of the possibility that you may be rewarded handsomely. That profit motive is what drives the economy (I am not even a Republican, but I agree with them on this). It is why I work in the private sector. If it werent for the possibility of financial advancement, I would do something else. But in the public sector...you have taken that out of the equation. Employees there are trading off the profit motive. They receive something in exchange for the tradeoff...security. That is how deals work...even in the private sector. You say stuff like "Private sector employees have worked long hours without additional pay and often without incentives" and I want to gag. Nobody works in the private sector for free. They do it for money. If they take a pay cut and continue to work...it isnt because there arent incentives...the incentive is "not being unemployed." Basic economics.
Justice
12:12 pm on Monday, March 26, 2012
As respects to the quality of teachers today. It is unfortunate that the best teachers have continued to take their skills to the "private sector" since the mid-seventies, when it became obvious that the only way to get a teaching job in the public school system, was to know someone on a BOE. Show me how many teachers in the suburban school districts actually live in the towns they teach in and didn't receive a "favor" for their jobs. SHOW ME. Show me the number of teachers who become tenured in a suburban school system who have had no "favors" from the BOE. Get me affidavits, anything that exemplifies that these people are the true, wholesome individuals who are influencing our children's minds. The mere fact that most students cannot reiterate current events or geography is not on individuals who want to reign in outlandish salaries and benefits; but on the school systems that are teaching them. It is very convenient to forget about the constitution, etc. when teaching the young minds. History has examples of what happens when mob-thinking is taught and the individual is stifled. Does Germany in the mid-thirties mean anything to you?
Wayne Parent
1:24 pm on Monday, March 26, 2012
The only 2 teachers I know in the Wayne schools were hired in the last 5 years. They both live in Wayne and didn't pull any favors to get their jobs. They both work like crazy.
Quit it with your paranoid ramblings. Nobody is going crazy trying to get into the cushy teacher lifestyle. If you were pulling strings and making backroom deals, one would think it would be for something that didnt max out at around $80K a year...after 30 years on the job. Hopefully you would be aiming a bit higher with your string pulling.
Justice
1:43 pm on Monday, March 26, 2012
@Wayne Parent, once again what credentials do you have to call someone delusional and paranoid? You are taking things very personal which leads me to believe that we have hit a nerve with you and you have much to gain from not wanting financial accountabilities. In the future, keep your personal remarks to yourself as they are very telling of the quality of the generation that thinks they know everything and are not open to a fair discussion for accountability.
Wayne Parent
4:05 pm on Monday, March 26, 2012
My credentials? I am a private sector professional who lives in Wayne and pays taxes. I hold an undergraduate degree from an excellent university and a professional degree from a top 10 school in my field. But none of those credentials matter. It doesnt take much in the way of credentials to see the following as sheer lunacy:
"It is very convenient to forget about the constitution, etc. when teaching the young minds. History has examples of what happens when mob-thinking is taught and the individual is stifled. Does Germany in the mid-thirties mean anything to you?"
When you are having a discussion about fiscal responsibility and you imply that mob thinking is being taught and we are headed towards Nazi Germany if your taxes for up by a few hundred dollars, you dont need to be well educated to see that nonsense for what it is. You could even have Sarah Palin's credentials.
Justice
1:44 pm on Monday, March 26, 2012
@Wayne Parent, obviously, you have much time on your hands and to much to gain from the high property taxes. Who are you talking to? What qualifies you to state that someone has paranoid ramblings when all they want is a financial accountability for what they have to pay.
What string pulling are you referring to? Obviously, you know more than what you are letting on.
Wayne Parent
3:52 pm on Monday, March 26, 2012
Justice....you said the following:
"Show me how many teachers in the suburban school districts actually live in the towns they teach in and didn't receive a "favor" for their jobs. SHOW ME. Show me the number of teachers who become tenured in a suburban school system who have had no "favors" from the BOE."
Justice
4:23 pm on Monday, March 26, 2012
@Wayne Parent, take your status quo rhetoric, pay the high taxes without complaining, call people who disagree with your mindset psychological names and do what you feel is necessary to get what you want. You will further prove how self-centered some of the people of your generation are. I have reason to believe that you are actually a teacher who claims to be working in the private sector. While you are at it, you can pay my property taxes since you are totally happy with the education system. As far as teachers are concerned, you clock in for 180 days a year, making 80,000 plus benefits (per your statement). You neglected to state if the other teachers in question had the sought after certifications of Math, Science or Special Ed. Wayne Parent, take your nonsense elsewhere.
Wayne Parent
5:02 pm on Monday, March 26, 2012
I complain about my taxes all the time. I challenged my assessment this year (and won). I have no problem with calling for fiscal accountability. But the hyperbolic Nazi fear mongering...you crossed the line there.
$80,000 is the TOP of the scale. Not what most teachers make. My statement was that they "max out at around $80K a year...after 30 years on the job." The point is...unlike the private sector employees, there is not the possibility of unlimited riches. Again...you dodged my question...if teachers were willing to take cuts now because you think they should be treated like private sector employees, if the market turns around and property values and stock market rise rapidly...will you raise teacher salaries to keep up with increases in the private sector? Or do you just want them to share in the pain without letting them share in the gains?
Also...I am NOT a teacher. But teachers played a large role in allowing me to be where I am today. And I value their work. I value their commitment. I value what they do. And I am willing to pay for that value.
As for your complaint about teachers not living in Wayne. While the 2 I know do live in Wayne, they are both married to someone who makes much more than a teacher. A starting teacher does not make enough money to buy a home in our town. Despite all of your claims about how teachers are rolling in money, there is no way a family could buy in Wayne if the primary earner was a teacher in our town.
Justice
5:25 pm on Monday, March 26, 2012
You call it Nazi fear mongering. I call it for what it is. Remove the will to complain, accept the status quo and what is the difference between Germany in the mid-thirties and the current economic politically apathetic climate? Furthermore, I had relatives who suffered immensely in the German concentration camps. So, please do not accuse me of fear mongering.
Wayne Parent
9:39 am on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
First off...I have family who perished in Nazi Germany. I have travelled back there to visit the camps. Which is why your flippant reference to Nazi germany is so disturbing and sad.
If you do not see the differences between the US today and Germany in the 20s and 30s, I suggest reading a book. For starters:
1. Germany post WWI was about the most decimated county in modern history.
2. Germany had been stripped of its means of finance and its military (and most of a generation of German men died in the war).
3. The German currency had become basically worthless.
4. A group preaching extreme nationalism and racism filled the void as the world turned away.
This is the comparison you wish to make? Seriously? Shame on you. The funny thing is that Conservatives love to bring up Nazi germany today and the fact that they think Democrats are pushing us towards that...and yet, while most Conservatives in this country are not racists, virtually every racist in this country votes Republican. How many registered Democrats do you think you will find at a Klan Rally? At the next Aryan Nation Day parade?
Pad
6:20 pm on Monday, March 26, 2012
Hey Wayne Parent,
The average worker professional & non professional works alot more then 180 days a year, they don't have LIFETIME family health payments for thier entire lifetime, enjoy the amount of sick days that teachers have and cash in when they retire. Now the cash in is capped so they just go out sick in the end. Plus they don't have tenure also. Look at the salaries paid in Wayne, many teachers exceed $80k a year. As taxpayers we pay for these lifetime health benefits, the abused sick day's and the bad teacher they can't get rid of due to tenure. On the outside you don't produce your out. Many salaried people put in many extra hours, work at home for no extra pay. Let there be a cloud in the sky and half the teachers call in sick when school is open. In the real world they have absentee policies, out too much and your let go. The waste in Wayne is unbelievable. Jobs are created for certain people at the BOE and thats for sure. OPEN YOUR EYES!
Al Scala
6:26 pm on Monday, March 26, 2012
Wayne Parent.....my wife is a teacher in a public school system. You don't have to convince me how hard she works. She leaves home a little after 7am and does not leave school until at least 4:15 or so. She teaches here in Wayne. Many a night, at least 4 nights a week, she is sitting in the family room marking papers or doing something related to lesson plans. When not doing that she is on the internet exploring things she could use in her teaching. Hers is certainly not a 40 hr work week. I can assure you, teaching is not easy today. Our children are enabled, parents demanding and she has less resources to work with each year due to budget cuts. A good teacher is worth their weight in gold! The teaching is done in the trenches, the classroom. Give our children and teachers more resources and stop the wasteful spending on top such as the hiring of a PR firm. I'll continue below!
Al Scala
6:32 pm on Monday, March 26, 2012
Did you know that our BOE took Mrs Pandolfi out of Anthony Wayne as Principal this school year, so she could shadow our then Super and intern so to speak for her hours required to get her certificate. That nesessitated us hiring an acting principal and Asst Principal, while still paying Mrs Pandolfi's salary, which I believe was in the 140k range. Stop this kind of bullcrap, and give that $ to the kids or put it back in the budget for supplies. Did we ever do this for any other principal in town? NO! Why?....Ask Don Pavlak why! Some people are fair haired here in town and others not! Yup, the good old boy system is alive and well in our school system.
Wayne Parent
9:51 am on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
Again...I am for the elimination of wasteful spending. You want to cut administrators. Show me which ones dont add much value and I will join you in cutting them. Show me which programs arent working...I will join with you to get them eliminated. But when times get tough, do not ask me to join in the scapegoating of teachers mob. Look right above your post. False facts and silly comparisons throughout. First off..."many" teachers are not making over 80K. The average is way below that. Second, teachers make a tradeoff for their benefits...the tradeoff is that you are locked into the scale even in boom times. When the internet bubble took off or the real estate market exploded, were we rushing to rapidly increase teacher pay as well? No. Teachers (and other public employees) give up upside potential for downside protection. Otherwise, why would anyone ever take a public sector job? You want to make teachers like the private sector? Why dont you propose a huge bonus for teachers who get all their kids to pass a standardized test? (didnt think so, and it is a dumb idea)
Rob Burke
7:17 pm on Monday, March 26, 2012
Teachers are not the enemy nor are they the problem with property taxes. The property tax problem is driven by the bloated municipal budgets and the ridiculous redundancy fueled by the need to dole out patronage positions on the backs of taxpayers. You want to see the further decline of America? Now the schools will be required to administer four standardized tests a year to determine whether the students are being adequately prepared for standardized tests. Somehow that will tell us if we have good teachers, and the students won't actually be learning much more than how to take a test. At least it won't matter to folks like Christie, who send their kids to private school....
Wayne Parent
10:48 am on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
"Teachers are not the enemy nor are they the problem with property taxes."
Preach on Rob Burke.
Rob Burke
10:51 am on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
@Wayne Parent: Do you disagree?
Rob Burke
12:54 pm on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
@Wayne Parent: Got it -- I misunderstood your post.
Justice
10:37 am on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
@ Wayne Parent, the shame on you is on you, not me for continuing this ridiculous discourse with bashing and unfounded labels of paranoia and such. Obviously, you are a control freak who goes off topic and has to have the last word. All of a sudden you had family in Germany (after I disclosed my own situation). You are transparent with too much time on your hands.
Wayne Parent
10:46 am on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
Are you seriously accusing me of lying about my family's history with the Holocaust? Seriously? I have been back to Auschwitz, Majdanek, Treblinka and the Warsaw Ghetto to mourn them. Dont you dare accuse me of making that up. And that is why I dont like to see people use the Nazi experience as flippantly in rhetoric as you seem comfortable doing.
And its funny how I give a thoughtful, coherent analysis about why Germany in the 20s and 30s bears no resemblance to the US of today and you have not one response. Not a single one. Keep up the fear mongering. I await your convincing reply as to how similar the US of today is to Weimar Germany.
Wayne Parent
11:01 am on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
@Rob Burke. I do not disagree at all. I am telling you to preach on against people like Justice who think (and I am using their words) "Furthermore, a profession that needs the cover of a union is not a profession. Unions are/were created for the working class' protection, not for the bastardization that it has become as respects to teachers and government workers."
The utter disdain for teachers is amazing. We need more people like you to show everyone that teachers are not the problem.
Rob Burke
12:59 pm on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
Teachers are a critical part of the solution, not the problem in the least. The demonization of teachers is political theater. Think about whether you want your children and their children to be able to understand their bosses when they enter the workforce. Tom Friedman, conservative journalist, said at the National Governor's Conference two summers ago that little Mary, who thinks she has pressure because she doesn't have enough time for Facebook doesn't realize what kind of pressure she will have when she can't understand her bosses thick accent from China or India. Our schools have fallen behind those elsewhere on the planet. Constantly kicking teachers in the head will only make teaching less desirable and send the quality of our school systems into a death spiral. This isn't hard to understand. The political demonization of teachers is all about money. Its part of the class warfare that has engulfed our nation. A true tragedy.
Justice
1:42 pm on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
@Rob, Just curious. Is your wife/significant other a teacher?
Rob Burke
1:52 pm on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
@Justice: Sorry, I'm not about to start publishing information about wife, my parents or my children. Its bad enough that Councilboob Scuralli demonizes me because I live in Morristown -- Oh The Horror!!! My family is off limits. Hey, at least I sign my name to what I write and you know who I am. Hardly anyone else does.
Justice
2:19 pm on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
@ Rob, Please do not be sorry for what you state. You are a genuine individual and I happen to agree with you as respects to family being off limits and I am glad that you made that stand public. Concerning your personal address, the location is totally irrelevant. Business owners, who are often major taxpayers, absolutely have a right and a say to financial accountability. As stated in the past, many citizens and business owners are very concerned about repercussions from the town. The fact that you and a few others actually use their real name is commendable. I, for one, applaud you and someday, I may decide to come out of the closet, (i.e.the broom closet).
Rob Burke
3:07 pm on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
Thanks, Justice. Yeah, the Councilboobs had some silly idea that since I don't vote in Town, I can't influence their political futures. I wonder. Can they hear me now?