Suspended Wayne Hills Football Players Won't Play in State Sectional Title Game
Acting Commissioner of Education Christopher Cerf upholds administrative law judge's recommendation.
The nine Wayne Hills football players suspended due to charges of aggravated assault will not be able to play Saturday night in their school's sectional state title game.
Christopher Cerf, the state’s acting Commissioner of Education, upheld a recommendation from Administrative Law Judge Ellen Bass, who heard arguments for the players’ case for emergent relief Thursday. The players sought relief from a ban imposed on them by the Board of Education Nov. 25.
Although the players will not be allowed to play in the game, attorney Darren Del Sardo, who represents one of the players, said that a lawsuit against the Board of Education would continue.
“We look forward to taking testimony from the superintendent and the principals in this matter,” Del Sardo said.
Bass outlined the effects the incident involving nine football players had on students at Wayne Hills and Wayne Valley High Schools in her decision issued Friday.
Interim Superintendent Michael Roth learned from the schools’ principals that two of the nine Hills students were not permitted to attend an automotive shop class at Wayne Valley High School that was part of their regular schedule due to concerns about their physical safety.
According to Bass’s decision, one of the alleged victims of the assault wrote on his Facebook page that he wanted to “kill these kids… [expletive] the only justice in my mind is there [sic] blood on my fist…”.
The decision stated that Roth was “most concerned” about the post. School administrators forwarded excerpts from Facebook posts to the Wayne Police Department.
Roth also described an incident at a pep rally at Wayne Hills that took place immediately prior to the football team’s second-round state sectional playoff game Nov. 18.
The decision states that football players wore their team jerseys to the rally and the junior class wore T-shirts with the words “the Police” on them.
“During the rally, the football players chanted “[expletive] the police” to the juniors and that it took several attempts for staff members to get them to stop,” the decision states.
The attorneys representing the players gave several excuses as to their clients’ conduct: the shirts were Halloween costumes, they were celebrating the rock band The Police, and that “cursing is typical pep rally fare.”
Roth used the incidents to establish that there had been “a troubling change in the tone of his two high school buildings,” the decision read.
The decision stated that two Board policies provide that a “pupil in any grade who fails to demonstrate good citizenship or observe school rules for pupil conduct may forfeit his/her eligibility for participation in athletic competition” and that consequence for conduct away from school grounds may be imposed in accordance with the applicable state regulations,” the decision states.
Three of the nine players, including star wide receiver Andrew Monaghan, are seniors and all of the nine players are starters. Attorneys for the players also argued that prohibiting the players from participating in the game Saturday will “jeopardize athletic scholarships that they are relying upon to attend college, as well negatively impact college admissions opportunities.”
In a separate decision, Bass ruled that Monaghan is also not entitled to emergent relief from an extracurricular ban stemming from an incident with an air horn at the pep rally.
The decision states that Monaghan contends he declined to take possession of the air horn from another student, Joe Lane. The air horn discharged near a teacher’s face, injuring her. Monaghan was suspended from school due to the incident. Monaghan contends that school administrators ignored his request for an informal hearing, denying his due process rights. He was advised that his suspension from extra-curricular activities might extend for the remainder of the school year.
Lilly Brown
5:33 pm on Friday, December 2, 2011
Perfect...bummer for you Coach Olsen, couldn't bully your way out of this one!
John Lynch
6:03 pm on Friday, December 2, 2011
Good luck to the Wayne Hills varsity football players, play with pride and respect and you come home Saturday winners regardless of the score.
Alex
6:24 pm on Friday, December 2, 2011
Just want to let everyone know of the idiocy of this article. The article states "The decision states that football players wore their team jerseys to the rally and the junior class wore T-shirts with the words “the Police” on them." Of course the junior class had t-shirts with "Police" on them. Their team name was the "Purple Police". Also, no chants of "expletive the Police" occurred at all during the spirit rally. I just wish I could read an impartial article on this matter for once.
Michelle
7:01 pm on Friday, December 2, 2011
http://www.northjersey.com/topstories/wayne/Education_commissioner_bars_Wayne_Hills_players_from_championship.html
This was reported today as well.
Andy McGowan
6:53 pm on Friday, December 2, 2011
Hopefuly this will have a meaningful ending. Kids learning a good lesson and Olsen fired. Neener you pompus jerks. I am ashamed to live in Wayne ATM.
Rich
10:20 pm on Friday, December 2, 2011
The press has played this up as a story that's dividing the town or about rival schools, when it's neither. No Offense, but there has been a minority in support of allowing the charged students to be involved in extra curriculars, as compared to those who feel , there should be accountability for these serious charges until, this can be taken care of through the system.
I was pointed to a Wayne Hills Alumni facebook page, by a Wayne Hills alum friend of mine, and was pleased to see rational posts, mostly supporting the suspensions. I do imagine some of those who disagree do so genuinely, I also think some of the nastier posters in support of letting the students play are either kids themselves posing as adults or, folks who have a pro Olsen agenda. Sticking up for your friend is not a crime,and I don't blame them for doing so, I just wish they wouldn't hide behind the kids to do so.
Wayne has gotten a bad rap this week , as a few select people have given the impression that this town is essentially a group of privileged spoiled rich kids,with entitled parents ,where rules and laws don't need to be followed or honored. Ask yourself, How many children are suspended from Sports, Clubs, Proms, etc in the United States in a given school year? Then Google, how many of them drag their towns reputation through the mud by going through the Courts, Lawyers and Judges to have it reversed?
Phyllis Rec
10:26 pm on Friday, December 2, 2011
The victims Facebook comments are of concern to me.
Not one of the nine
11:03 pm on Friday, December 2, 2011
My concerns are the red herrings that are constantly being thrown up by the apologists. I read the court transcripts. The comments about the team chanting "F*** the police" CAME FROM A REPORT BY THE SUPERINTENDENT. It also included the lawyers numerous attempts to explain away the shirts and chants. Guess what? The judge didn't buy it and neither do we. B'bye now. Thanks for playing. Bwahahahahahahahahah.
abbie
12:04 am on Saturday, December 3, 2011
Hey, "Not one of the nine", please read the following before you spread lies and rumors:
Just an explanation: the students at Wayne Hills have a pep rally or spirit week rally every year and at the beginning of the year (before this incident) the student council leaders for each grade pick a name that goes with the color that is assigned for that grade. For instance, Pink is freshmen, purple is juniors, anyway, the students pick names that sound cool and pick a theme around it. This year the juniors decided on the Purple Police, as I said way before the incident. Now it's reported that the police is being disrespected in the school because the students were booing the police. Well, the truth is that the freshmen boo all other grades when they are introduced, then the sophs, then juniors and so on, so when the police, or junior purple police was introduced they were boo'd as were the Orange Seniors and the rest of the grades. It was in fun and unfortunately now it's turned into another made-up story from people who are full of crap
Not one of the nine
9:58 am on Saturday, December 3, 2011
@Abbie. I'm aware that the team names were selected in Sept. Can you tell me if the football team decided in Sept to chant "F*** the police" back in Sept? Bwahahahahahaha
John Wayne
5:55 pm on Saturday, December 3, 2011
Don't worry Phyl - the Hills'Gang of Nine will be placed in solitary confinement for their own protection
irapasses
10:31 pm on Friday, December 2, 2011
Judge Bass full decision is here - Monaghan brought a separate legal action(air horn incident) in conjunction to the first action including the other 8 players and contended his suspension was retaliatory.
http://www.northjersey.com/topstories/wayne/120211_Text_of_rulings_upholding_suspensions_of_Wayne_Hills_football_players.html
jerdeyguy
11:32 pm on Friday, December 2, 2011
QUESTION...... ANYBODY???? WHERE IS OUR MAYOR? We need a leader to help this town heal. and he is nowhere to be found.
Taylor
11:34 pm on Friday, December 2, 2011
Amen jerdeyguy
Rich
11:35 pm on Friday, December 2, 2011
Good point, I know Chris personally, and he really is one of the nicest guys you will ever meet, and it's not his fault, but this town needs a full time mayor. With what we pay in property taxes, it really is about time we spent some of it on town administration.
jerdeyguy
11:56 pm on Friday, December 2, 2011
Chris is a lovely guy, but this town is in disarray over this incident and needs a true leader. We have not seen leadership. Our Police Chief helped cause this negative national attention (rather than say this is an ongoing investigation and I cannot comment, as the Passaic Prosecutor said) he told the National Media “kids were left unconscious in the street” and it was done by “9 Wayne Hills Football Players”. Within hours News Vans, Dish Antennas and National Attention took up camp in our town.
s
8:25 am on Saturday, December 3, 2011
It ABSOLUTELY is his fault! Be a man and have your players own up to their responsibilities! There is a code of conduct, and school HIB policy which covers off-ground incidents, he is fully aware of it, so are his players and so are the administrators. This was about bullying his way through the administrators over a football game. Plain and simple.
Taylor
11:35 pm on Friday, December 2, 2011
This is unbelievable. The decision for the class's names each year are decided in SEPTEMBER!!! And when did this incident occur? Yeah, that's what I thought. There are names each year to correlate with the class's color scheme or their grade. The Board has to approve of these names!!! Do you honestly think that the school would purposely make the juniors the Purple Police to attract EVEN MORE ATTENTION to Wayne Hills?!?! This is honestly being blown completely out of porportion. If the boys were not WAYNE HILLS FOOTBALL PLAYERS, this would not be the #1 topic that everyone strives to gossip about - you would probably not even hear of it. What does this fight have to do with football? Or a spirit rally? Or education? You are all attacking every little thing you can find about Wayne Hills.
abbie
12:07 am on Saturday, December 3, 2011
Anonymous, you are correct, it's all about beating up Wayne Hills. I'm not sure why so many are soooooooo gleeful about this. People are writing how they are LOLing about this and mhuahhahha-ing about this. How can you people take such joy in the ruining of the future of these young men. Karma is a b-tch and it will come back and bite you in the a--. then I will be LOLing and Muhahhahha-ing.
s
8:28 am on Saturday, December 3, 2011
What this fight has to do with is the school code of conduct, State Board of Ed code of conduct and HIB policiies and the regulations under NJISAA. All of that has to do with playing football, or any other extracurricular activity. You see, those are privileges, not a student's right, and you must uphold certain standards. It's very simple. Now, the superintendant botched the decision from the get go, however, the coach, the parents and the students all know the code of conduct and should have owned up to it. Instead, THEY made a big issue out of it and embarrassed their school, their team, and community across the country.
K
8:39 am on Saturday, December 3, 2011
There were bad decisions made early on that makes people then look at everything. Be upset with the person that reported spirit week as relevant to this hearing (the principal maybe). This is such a big topic because our tax dollars are supporting poor decisions (by the coach and board). Taxes are high enough already, to hear they aren't even spent to support common sense is a slap in the face. The ad/coach is paid $140, that's a lot of money. Add in pension for the rest of his life (let's say 60k per year), health insurance for the rest of his life(no, not just Medicare, real insurance like bcbs), and paying very little now for insurance (if you don't work for the state, what do you pay?), add in the nice perk of having all school holidays, summers off and tenure..... we can't afford it, and then, to find out that this is what we're paying for? I want the coach from Matawan.
http://www.app.com/article/20111202/NJNEWS/312010100/Police-5-Matawan-Regional-football-players-broke-into-Manasquan-HS-lockers?odyssey=nav%7Chead
s
8:46 am on Saturday, December 3, 2011
I agree K, lead by example. Coach Martucci did the right thing. Did the kids' parents rush out and get lawyers, NO! Because THE PARENTS know that their kid screwed up, and must own up to the consequences. PLAIN AND SIMPLE. It's starts with leadership, parents first, coaches, school administrators, and Wayne Hills is certainly lacking in that area.
Al Scala
8:06 am on Saturday, December 3, 2011
I have not been on the side of the 9 or Coach Olsen during this entire fiasco. However, I will say that if there is a coach to motivate his players and find a way to win, Coach Olsen is that. Athough we are losing 9 starting players, it wouldn't surprise me if Olsen's plan B is better than their plan A. Good luck tonight!
Frank
8:34 am on Saturday, December 3, 2011
The New York Times
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/03/sports/wayne-hills-high-school-plays-for-title-minus-9-players.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1
Maybe winning should take a back seat to common decency, class and integrity for a change.
Tonight Met Life stadium will be swarming with press and this story will continue to dominate the news. A simple "mia culpa" is all everyone wanted. Instead we hear lame excuses from every involved from attorneys to board members and bloggers.
Syracuse coach Jim Boeheim, seeing the error of his ways, apologized for his insensitivity to the allegations of the victims of Bernie Fine. Taking the high road and showing that he is human and he makes mistakes.
s
8:41 am on Saturday, December 3, 2011
I agree Frank, I would have so much respect for a young man who comes forward and admits he screwed up. Although the HIB was still broken, perhaps the Board of Ed would have dealt with it differently. However, all the lawyers, court filings, etc. shows that there is nothing but a sense of entitled from all involved.
Joe Jaster
8:12 am on Saturday, December 3, 2011
The innocent will always be winners regardless of the score. The guilty will be punished and hopefully go on to become better citizens.
Those who have been accused wrongly, I,m sorry for you. Our system is not perfect, pick yourself up, life goes on. Please don't hold a grudge in your heart, life brings greater rewards, "GOD BLESS THE INNOCENT" HOLD YOUR HEAD UP HIGH.
TO THE TOWNSHIP OF WAYNE,"HEAL" DON'T LET THIS TRUN UGLY.
Frank
9:07 am on Saturday, December 3, 2011
@abbie
Where is your honor and integrity? Maybe you should listen to
this and show some remorse for what has transpired. http://nyc.podcast.play.it/media/d0/d0/d0/dZ/dC/dE/dN/ZCEN_3.MP3?authtok=5561629961989004201_XMpzP29jhd1QldU2hfoakW1Xr4o
@s is 100 % correct
muffyandbiff
9:13 am on Saturday, December 3, 2011
Leave the Bentley in the garage, unsaddle the Polo Pony and dismiss the staff. Our little angel got suspended. Oh well. We can decide who else to sue on Monday. Lets go to the Mall and shop.
Frank
9:17 am on Saturday, December 3, 2011
@abbie-
WFAN- Rick Wolf dedicated two 1/2 hour shows to what is happening in Wayne. Take the time to just "listen".
WFAN- Rick Wolf with Dough Abrams 11/20/11
http://nyc.podcast.play.it/media/d0/d0/d0/dZ/dB/d9/dC/ZB9C_3.MP3?authtok=5561629961989004201_y6XouwUSrjrt2RQ5Sql2EHrV00w
WFAN- Rick Wolf Show http://nyc.podcast.play.it/media/d0/d0/d0/dZ/dC/dE/dN/ZCEN_3.MP3?authtok=5561629961989004201_XMpzP29jhd1QldU2hfoakW1Xr4o
Joe videodummy
9:22 am on Saturday, December 3, 2011
Separting a students daily school activities from a students after-school extra curricular activities is not only confusing, it is counter-productive.
For many students, education related extra curricular activities may be the only thing productive that they do after school. Enrolling in activities that are either coached or supervised by qualified teachers that teach discipline, teamwork and sportsmanship.
These are attributes and qualities that cannot be learned in a book. This is where they learn to cooperate with others through projects, instruction, and team sports.
The characteristics of these programs make the students eager to do their best, not only in the activity, but outside school as well.
Obviously, this legal decision is going to have a negative impact on the innocent students, especially if they decide that the school, the board of education, and the code of conduct rules let them down.
Yet, rather than allow our students an opportunity to be heard, confess guilt, or innocense, many people feel it's better to discipline them for what may have happened, rather than wait to find out what actually happened.
So the message they receive is that they may attend school, where the environment is safe and supervised, but they may not attend after school related extra curricular activities because the environment is what ? A priviledge ?
What if this was a sport where the students private club team was more important than the school team
Joe videodummy
9:35 am on Saturday, December 3, 2011
Go Wayne Hills
careless fills
10:04 am on Saturday, December 3, 2011
Perhaps one of the so called "lifelong lessons" "that can't be learnt in a classroom" about the consequeneces of retaliation (if this was the case, as one defendant's lawyer claims) wasn't learnt by these nine from their highly esteemed coach!
muffyandbiff
9:31 am on Saturday, December 3, 2011
Cheer up people. They can play football on XBOX today.
irapasses
9:35 am on Saturday, December 3, 2011
Avvie, jessica and the other apologists - how can anyone take you seriously with statements like " How can you people take such joy in the ruining of the future of these young men". So are you saying missing 1 football game will ruin their lives? What if a kid had a sprained ankle and couldnt suit up...is his life ruined? Really? So the pinnacle of their lives is this HS football game? You are the problem because YOU put to much weight on this football game not the players. You dont give these kids enough credit. They will survive , grow and learn from this. his event and all that unfolded might actually teach them a life-altering lesson and make them pause and think next time. I believe all of us have wanted equality for all students acrosse the board when it comes to accountability and responsibility. It is not personal for me and most others. You and your cohorts are the ones that are making it personal. You guys never place blame where it all started and YOu guys are doing just as much damage , maybe more, then the posters on this forum looking for accountability.
Frank
9:50 am on Saturday, December 3, 2011
Well said @ Ira!
careless fills
10:28 am on Saturday, December 3, 2011
Well said. It's just a silly game, at worse they will get over it, and even better, they might learn something. Perhaps we all can learn from the example of Matawan: http://www.nj.com/hssports/blog/football/index.ssf/2011/12/politi_unlike_wayne_hills_matawan_high_school_handles_a_discipline_issue_the_right_way.html#incart_mce.
Frank
9:46 am on Saturday, December 3, 2011
@Joe videodummy
Obviously your missing one very important point here. This fiasco should have never become a "legal" matter. The "innocent"and "guilty" students have had many opportunities to have their voices heard. The grandstanding event that was orchestrated by the coach at the BOE meeting was the perfect venue for individuals to stand and admit guilt or innocence. Instead the coach states "the only thing these kids are guilty of is being football players". Please, do you not see that all of this would have never come to pass if Mr. Olsen just "sat" his players in the first place. Instead of taking the moral high ground he chose to follow a distinct pattern of behavior which places "winning" and whining" above INTEGRITY and CLASS. My heart goes out to the rest of the players and their families who have be subjected to this firestorm.
careless fills
10:56 am on Saturday, December 3, 2011
@Frank: Well said. Penn State had a Wayne-like incident in 2006. Clearly PSU & PAterno didn't "clean-up" their mess, before or after. Before anyone lays into me, please read: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204531404577054593742644840.html and see if they can draw any parallels.
Frank
12:34 pm on Saturday, December 3, 2011
@careless fills: Thank you for the read.
Sounds extremely familiar!
notwhoyouthink
9:57 am on Saturday, December 3, 2011
I sure hope that all the suspended players and their parents show up for the game today in support of the team (yes, they are allowed to attend before you ask).
After all the support they received from others in the program, it would be the right thing to do.
The rest of the team is ready, and more than able. They practiced hard all week and will definitely show up. Lots of talent on this squad.
Lilly Brown
10:00 am on Saturday, December 3, 2011
Go St Joe's!!
Ron
10:03 am on Saturday, December 3, 2011
Today a quote from Lord Acton 'Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely' appears to hold true with every corporate or political scandal you read, caused by otherwise capable leaders.
It also can be said that an overemphasis on ability rather than character, will lead to
corruption. Is it possible in Wayne, our leaders are without character or integrity?
One example we can see on full display in Wayne is worth further examination. It reminds me of the evil Queen in Snow White who each day asks "mirror mirror on the wall who's the fairest of all" Our evil Queen, a coach who professes great character, has without question led the good towns folk down a path of of righteous indignation. Our Queens interview yesterday with John Munson offers no apologies, but only justification for every evil he bestows on the good town folk, and his past.
But what of the rest of our leaders, the credits for our story tale include:
1.Sleepy-----Mayor Vergano
2.Dopey-----The Wayne BOE (that was easy)
3.Doc-------- Michael Roth, Acting Supt of Schools (aren't they all)
4.Happy------Lawyers for the accused :-) cha ching
5.Bashful---- Scott Beckerman, Wayne Hills Principle
6.Grumpy----The 9 HS football players, and their parents.
7.Sneezy-----The poor town folk of Wayne
With now dozens, if not over a hundred news stories nationwide asking, why the coach has failed so badly. So I end with what I began, 'Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely'
irapasses
10:16 am on Saturday, December 3, 2011
good post ROn...still have not heard from Abbie, Jessica,Phyllis, wayne res. - DO YOU GUYS PLACE ANY BLAME ON OLSEN OR THE PLAYERS? or is all the blame on the BOE, the police, the Super, the victims, the forum posters, the judges, the Commisioner of Education (guess all of them all got it wrong but the W Hills parents got it right???? ) Can you admit that internal discipline could have saved this situation?
Jessica Brody
3:48 pm on Saturday, December 3, 2011
As I stated before, I homeschool my teen-ager's. I could care-less what Wayne schools or the BOE are doing. My complaint with the town is that they don't do enough to prepare our students for college. This event reinforces my argument. Any questions ?
You can go on believing the newspaper's, national T.V., or what-ever else you need to to justify your desire to slam the Wayne Hills coach, and or football team. Just keep in mind, I went to school here in town, and lived here my whole life.
Go Wayne Hills
Al Scala
3:49 pm on Saturday, December 3, 2011
There's a lot of cupability here with several parties, all named above. However, the primary resposibility is in the parenting. I question the parenting of these parents. I had a stict upbringing, so that is what I know. My parents would have been judge and jury. There was no due process in my house. Secondly, there is no question about Coach Olsen. He's culpable as well. As head coach, he could have benched these guys. Heck, he's benched kids for less. Thirdly, I think the BOE botched this big time. They got poor advice early on and after that all they did was flip flop, caved, then changed directions. The fact that Chris Vergano never checked in on this is surprising. After all he is the Mayor of this town.
John Wayne
7:05 pm on Saturday, December 3, 2011
Jessica Brody - I dont remember you from grade school, middle or high school, so you didnt go to school here. Were you prepared by Wayne for college? Will your kids live their whole lives here in town too?
notwhoyouthink
10:43 am on Saturday, December 3, 2011
http://www.nj.com/hssports/blog/football/index.ssf/2011/12/wayne_hills_coach_chris_olsen_draws_ire_from_critics_but_praise_from_ex-players_colleagues.html
Frank
11:06 am on Saturday, December 3, 2011
@notwhoyouthink
A Comment to this story
Posted by cougar158
"They've said the same things (and then some) about Joe Paterno over the years. And Paterno did over the years do some really great, honorable things. But when you create the "cult of personality" around yourself and lose perspective---like he and a chunk of the WH football community clearly have---all the nice things, the "legacy" if you will vanishes in an instant. The "groupthink" going on in that community---which is no doubt delighted and relieved to see this article "telling our side"---is its own undoing. Clearly the thinking behind this culture is that winning football games, creating football dynasties and the like is what brings admiration, respect, glory, awe, etc. to the players and their coaches and parents (don't kid yourselves the culture starts with them---and more often than not they are living vicariously through the kids...even in some cases trying to re-live or re-do their younger years....basking in their kids' glory). And now you'll be hard-pressed to find anyone but the very people caught up in this "groupthink" themselves who admire, respect or are awed by the WH football team or this culture that surrounds it."
John Wayne
7:14 pm on Saturday, December 3, 2011
Frank - Wayne Hills lacks culture
Ron
11:15 am on Saturday, December 3, 2011
Well said Frank, I think it sums it all up.
irapasses
12:21 pm on Saturday, December 3, 2011
let me summarize that NJ.com Olsen interview. people are jealous of me and my success. The blame should be placed on others. I only follow the rules that i believe in and all other rules are silly. Football players still work hard while the rest of the kids in school have changed and dont work hard anymore. IS THIS PERSON FOR REAL? Please BOE, fire him already.
Frank
12:50 pm on Saturday, December 3, 2011
Should we list the "success"?
"Success ?...at what price?
An entire career marred by controversy and victimization.
Not a humble bone is his body... NO remorse, NO consequences (other than being fired of course), just finger pointing at every turn. You see a "real man" and leader admits to his shortcomings and learns from his mistakes.
Time to DISMANTLE "The PROGRAM" and start from scratch.
notwhoyouthink
2:32 pm on Saturday, December 3, 2011
I think you guys are being way too critical. Whatever - not looking to or care about changing your minds. I thought it was an interesting interview. He stands up for what he believes in, that's for sure.
You guys really don't like him. I can't imagine what he did to you such that you just simply hate him. You must have some personal experience that is driving it?
I don't know what you guys know about coaching. I've done a fair amount of coaching and I can tell ya, his record of success in a public school program is quite impressive.
Frank
3:16 pm on Saturday, December 3, 2011
This is not personal at all. Thank God I have not had any "run-ins" with coach. This is strictly a philosophical difference in opinion.
I would like to pose a question for you:
What does the end justifies the means mean?
ANSWERS.COM
* These answers represent basically the same meaning from several perspectives.
This phrase, originating from Niccolo Machiavelli's book "The Prince", is interpreted by some to mean doing anything whatsoever that is required to get the result you want, regardless of the methods used. It does not matter whether these methods are legal or illegal, fair or foul, kind or cruel, truth or lies, democratic or dictatorial, good or evil.
The phrase the end justifies the means refers to the morality of an action. It means that the morality of an action is based solely on the outcome of that action and not on the action itself. Example: Telling a lie that has no negative effect on anyone, and saves someone grief, is good. Killing someone to save others may also be morally justifiable.
This refers to the idea that if you need a specific outcome, it doesn't matter how it is achieved as long as you get the desired result. For instance, if you need to pass a test in order to graduate (the end) you can justify cheating in order to pass the test (the means).
Winning games doesn't give you a pass in life!
Michael R Klotz
4:54 pm on Saturday, December 3, 2011
Coach Olsen,
I am a parent, former coach, and concerned citizen. I don't know all the details of the current situation. I do know this much. There was an incident that involved 1 or more of your players that may or not be a criminal situation. At the very least, it is conduct that is unbecoming, I am sure, of any student-athlete, involved in your program. Please stand up for yourself and your program and stop making excuses. I live in Union County, know no one from your town, and am simply fed up with the bad behavior that is tolerated in this country. My parents taught me that good behavior is rewarded, poor behavior is punished.
John Wayne
6:20 pm on Saturday, December 3, 2011
Notwho? Are you kidding? he's circumvented good character and sportsmanship. He's put children at risk (11 year old son played in HS scrimmage, hired uncertified coach possessing controlled substances, etc.), He smells bad, he has hurt Wayne's reputation and lowered our property values
Frank
7:03 pm on Saturday, December 3, 2011
It's time for you and the "Silent Majority" at Wayne Hills to "STAND UP" and take control of this! Band together and make your voices heard.
Phyllis Rec
1:24 am on Sunday, December 4, 2011
It was not a real scrimmage moron
Frank
8:43 am on Monday, December 5, 2011
@Phyllis,
More excuses! By the way how does your "Paterno" explain away his ENTIRE resume of wrong doings? Oh, I know....everyone is JEALOUS of ME and MY program. EVERYONE has an axe to grind with me. PLEASE do not attempt to insult the intelligence of the public at large. MORON huh? Interesting how you and your BLIND LEADING THE BLIND groupies stoop to disrespectful low's while conducting conversation.
DJ
6:47 pm on Saturday, December 3, 2011
im so confused. how can anyone either living in wayne or out of town,think the actions of these boys is justified.??i mean so can we all go out to a local area and punch someone in the face and say .".im innocent till proven guilty and go on with our lives".
these boys chose to put themselves in a abd situation and now they have to pay for it. i dont want to hear about scholorships , thats bullshit. any of them which i think only 3 are seniors would have gotten a look at already threw scouts as well as a offer for college already. the other few who are underclassmen have next year to continue.. please please please stop with all the excuses... .
basically all the people who are supporting these kids are just as stupid and bad as the kids, and there ignorant parents for not punishing them.
John Wayne
7:10 pm on Saturday, December 3, 2011
Did anyone hear that the NJSIAA has barred Olsen from coaching anywhere in New Jersey?
DJ
7:13 pm on Saturday, December 3, 2011
actually very shocking all the hype and drama for the last few weeks,not alot of people here for the game.
Frank
7:25 pm on Saturday, December 3, 2011
Media at the game?
DJ
7:25 pm on Saturday, December 3, 2011
its kickoff time
DJ
7:32 pm on Saturday, December 3, 2011
old tappan driving..fuller up the middle for 35yrds
DJ
7:47 pm on Saturday, December 3, 2011
6-0 old tappan
DJ
8:12 pm on Saturday, December 3, 2011
12-0 old tappan.. hills cant even move the ball..
still in town 78
8:14 pm on Saturday, December 3, 2011
Go Wayne hills. This has nothing to do with the team. Olsen has nothing to do with this. Nither do the kids that didn't do anything wrong it seems like people just want to complain about who's on the top of the mountain because they haven't been there themselves'
Hills baby!
9:48 pm on Saturday, December 3, 2011
Hills 15-12!
DJ
8:29 pm on Saturday, December 3, 2011
i can careless about the coach or either team to be honest..just have no respect for 9 kids fighting 2 kids.people say 2 of them werent even there and who knows maybe true.but after 1 month of investigating not one of the boys have come forward and said hey so and so wasnt there we were the ones involved.. shows me none of them cares much about each other,also shows not much of a team or friendship either..
Al Scala
8:44 pm on Saturday, December 3, 2011
Hopefully, the 9 will see the consequences of their actions by sitting in the stands tonight. Wonder how it feels. Now, to the more important part which is facing the criminal charges and very possibly civil charges as well. Hopefully, when this is all over, they will see the BIG PICTURE, and finally come to the conclusion that missing the game was the least important in all of this.
Hills baby!
9:47 pm on Saturday, December 3, 2011
15-12 Hills! Feels good for the rest of the team (AND OLSEN) that worked hard all season!
DJ
8:50 pm on Saturday, December 3, 2011
very true.. i dont think they get it.
DJ
9:38 pm on Saturday, December 3, 2011
15-12 wayne hills 3 min to go
DJ
9:45 pm on Saturday, December 3, 2011
i think fuller felt bad and gave the game up for old tappan.he fumbled 3 times inside the 20 yard line
sally singsong
12:21 am on Saturday, December 10, 2011
no I think hills was a little too much for him to handle....twice
DJ
9:49 pm on Saturday, December 3, 2011
ITS OVER... WAYNE HILLS 15 -12 WINNERS...WOW
still in town 78
10:59 pm on Saturday, December 3, 2011
And du who are you? Why don't you support your local team? Another sour grape I guess ?
Hills Alum
12:00 am on Sunday, December 4, 2011
DJ=Darn Jealous! Fire Olsen? He needs to go? Why? Because he stood by his kids that claimed their innocence, played without them in the end, and still won? He has done more for Wayne kids than you will ever know. He will leave soon and Wayne will not be better off. In the meantime, save your sour grapes and meet me at the Outback for a cold one to toast the best public School Program in the State--Ka-Chow!
Jessica Brody
2:26 am on Sunday, December 4, 2011
Whoo-hoo Congrads WH. WV Cheerleaders- nice touch. WV coaches-shame on you. By not stopping cheerleaders from cheering for Old Tappan, you are encouraging the battles to continue. Thank-you Andrew for bringing that to they're attention...and NO- A.M. did not cause the "Black-out" on 11/29.
General Olsen- Patriot Pride. Under the stadium lights the Wayne Hills Stars shined the brightest. and through it all, these young men made a statement to all of the non-believers. They are not part of the problem. They are the solution. They are the end result of a productive extra-curricular program.
Wayne Parent
7:56 am on Sunday, December 4, 2011
I sure hope the WV Cheerleader screw-up was just a mistake. If not, that is so sad ! I'm so happy for the WH football players that took pride in their school and worked hard (on and off the field) to accomplish their goal and represent their school honorably.
star
6:40 pm on Sunday, December 4, 2011
Just to clarify those were NOT WV cheerleaders they were OT girls. WV & OT have the same warm up with almost exactly the same colors & design. NO ONE other than the teams playing ar allowed on the field. The WV coaches always promote good sportsmanship no matter who is playing. I have seen these girls in action & they are exactly what cheerleading is all about. Shame on you for spreading rumors without having any facts.
sally singsong
12:01 am on Saturday, December 10, 2011
thats what all you knuckle heads are doing too...spreading rumors without having any facts...
sally singsong
12:26 am on Saturday, December 10, 2011
good sporstmanship ..yeah right when O'Connor starts an argument with WH players in stands,thats showing sportsmanship....he has his own problems just trying to win games
MikeBrandt
10:44 am on Wednesday, December 7, 2011
Coach has an amazing wife and three great children. Did anybody mention that his son wasn't out that night or how his other son is doing amazing things for cancer research. Or that his eldest son is one of the most stand up citizens to have come out of the Wayne school systems. I'm not bashing the parents of the kids who fought, from either Wayne Hills or Wayne Valley. I'm also not saying that fighting is right, but c'mon, they are 16, 17 & 18 year old boys. The judge now determines their fate but if it comes out that one of the"infamous nine" were not even there than it's a shame and BOE dropped the ball.
John
1:16 pm on Wednesday, December 7, 2011
Ok... so I know that the agenda of many of those that comment here is to disparage & destroy Chris Olsen and portray the football team as a bunch of arrogant thugs who think they are above the law. I get that & I've come to the conclusion that it's not worth attempting to make a legitimate, logical argument engaging people who have an agenda & an axe to grind. I am, however perplexed at the complete absence of anyone's outrage over the fact that this altercation took place largely as the result of a teen house party run amuck. There are parents in our community who apparently think its perfectly alright to allow their kids to host parties where alcohol flows freely among their underaged guests. There are homes where this goes on often... where the "PARENTS" either turn a blind eye to or are complicit in the illegal activities that go on under their roofs. As a parent of 2 teenaged kids who attend Wayne Public schools, I must say that I for one am outraged about THIS. How about someone suggesting that these type of "PARENTS" act more responsibly? How about someone suggesting that "PARENTS" like this quit enabling their own and others kids to behave badly and make bad choices while under the influence of drugs or alcohol? Police Chief Reardon, why is it that the names of the homeowners who hosted this party on Urban Club Rd. haven't been released to the media? Why haven't THEY been charged with anything? I guess money and relationships can buy you a lot of things...
sally singsong
12:11 am on Saturday, December 10, 2011
NOT A SECRET everyone in town nows who it is...
Shawshank McGee
9:24 pm on Friday, December 9, 2011
Trolls....nuff said