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7 Wayne Hills Players Sentenced to Probation

Five-month long case brought sweeping changes to the district.

 

Seven of the nine Wayne Hills High School football players who were charged with aggravated assault last fall were sentenced to probation late last month, according to a report on NorthJersey.com.

The report states that each of the seven players pleaded guilty to simple assault in order to be allowed to enter a juvenile probation program.

The nine players were charged with aggravated assault after police said they attacked two Wayne Valley High School students after a party on Urban Club Road on Oct. 29.

The incident ignited a firestorm of controversy. Residents in town were often divided on how they thought coach Chris Olsen and district officials should have handled the situation.

District Superintendent Ray Gonzalez declined to comment on the sentences.

"As a matter of policy, Wayne Public Schools does not comment on media reports about its students," Gonzalez said. "The district's focus is on students' education."

Karen Marron and Janine Del Vecchio, co-presidents of the Wayne Coucnil of Parent Teacher Organizations, also declined to comment.

Board of Education President Donald Pavlak Jr. could not be reached for comment. 

The incident prompted district administrators to adopt a new policy forcing Olsen to choose between coaching the team and remaining the school’s athletic director.

The players were allowed to participate in the team’s first-round state playoff game against Vernon. Hills won the game 48-0.

Then-interim Superintendent Michael Roth ruled Nov. 16 that the players could not participate in the team’s second playoff game, or any other extra-curricular activities, but the Board of Education placed a stay on the ban the next day after dozens of players and hundreds of residents expressed their support for the players and Olsen at a board meeting. Roth and the board held a 4-hour, closed-door hearing with players and their legal representatives after the meeting to discuss the charges and the evidence in the case.

The stay was placed pending a hearing to be held later that month at the board's office, "so that additional facts and information can be considered," said board President Donald Pavlak Jr.

The board upheld Roth’s extra-curricular ban and lifted the stay on Nov. 25.

Board trustee Robert Ceberio said in November that the incident had impacted the day-to-day operations in the district, especially at Wayne Hills and Wayne Valley High Schools. Ceberio said the incident on Oct. 29 left a “black mark” on Wayne.

"This is not characteristic of the majority of our 8,700 students who truly reflect the good of our district and community. The Wayne Board of Education believes that violence is unacceptable related to our school, connected to extracurricular activities or in our community," Ceberio said.

An administrative law judge and the state’s acting commissioner of education upheld the suspensions. The players, all starters, did not play in the team’s state sectional title game. Hills defeated Old Tappan 15-12, giving the Patriots their second consecutive group state championship and Olsen his eighth in the previous 10 years. Hills came back to win the game in the final three minutes.

“What can I say about these kids,” Olsen said on the field after the game. “At halftime they said, ‘Coach we’re going to win this game’.”

Parents and residents criticized Olsen for choosing not to suspend the players for the team’s first two state playoff games; Olsen is also the school’s athletic director.

The board approved a new policy in January prohibiting administrators and supervisors from coaching sports teams and acting as advisors of any district athletic, co-curricular, or extra-curricular program.

Dozens of residents and football players packed a recent board meeting in February to ask officials to amend or reverse the policy. No one on the board made a motion to take such action.

Andrew Monaghan, the only adult at the time the charges were filed, agreed to enter Pre-Trial Intervention, a probationary-like program, NorthJerey.com reported last month.

A new athletic code of conduct gives coaches the power to suspend athletes who violate the code both on and off school grounds.

Student athletes in either high school and each middle school will have to sign the code of conduct if they want to play sports. Parents of students younger than 18 must also sign it.

“This new code is an extremely positive step forward for the district,” Superintendent Ray Gonzalez said in a statement “Now, students, coaches, and parents alike will know exactly what is considered acceptable.”

The policy states that team coaches are charged with establishing discipline and basic rules for their teams. Coaches also have the right to suspend athletes for “infractions of these rules” and the code.

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Related Topics: Wayne Hills High School and Wayne Valley High School

pam roz

9:44 am on Wednesday, March 21, 2012

Before all you haters start posting, please take a moment to understand what a simple assault is.

In accordance with N.J.S.A. 2C:12-1
Simple Assault: A person commits a simple assault if he/she attempts to cause or purposely, knowingly or recklessly causes bodily injury to another. Simple assault is a disorderly persons offense except where it is the result of a fight by mutual consent, in which case it is a petty disorderly persons offense.

Simply put: They plead guilty to being in a fight, possibly by mutual consent. I don't think there was ever a question that this occurred and no one denied that a fight took place.

Quite different than the "facts" that were reported, which supported aggravated assault.

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eyes wide shut

10:34 am on Wednesday, March 21, 2012

Pam, IF and i say IF, they didn't plea bargain, what would they have been charged with?? At the advice of all their lawyers they pleaded it down...Either way its an admission of guilt...GUILTY

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eyes wide shut

10:58 am on Wednesday, March 21, 2012

Why are we ALL not surprised that you are not only the FIRST one on here but the FIRST to defend people who ADMITTED their guilt? To a lessor charge no less...We'd be shocked it was any different..

Albert

9:48 am on Wednesday, March 21, 2012

@pam roz, They plead guilty to "simple assault" but that is NOT what they were charged with. They agreed to plead down to reduce the charges. And the fact that you are still claiming they are innocent, even after they plead guillty amazes me.

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Wayne's World

10:13 am on Wednesday, March 21, 2012

As I said numerous times during the height of the controversy, there should still be a place for "boys being boys." Absent significant injury, it's probably good character building for most guys to get into physical confrontation in their youth. Based on what has been reported, this was NOT one of those situations. The WV kid who apparently showed up uninvited to a party and instigated trouble had something coming to him it sounds like, but a gang beating in the street was a lot more than that. For the innocent kid who really wasn't there that night, it's a shame he was caught up in it and lost the opportunity to play in a big game. However, it just goes to show the old adage "show me who your friends are and I will show you who you are" still rings true for everyone at one time or another. The fact that this kid's name came up and not enough of the others piped up to proclaim his innocence and clear his name for this long should teach him a valuable lesson about his "friends." But one guy not being there as opposed to "several" is not what was claimed by several here who seemed to be in the know. Olsen probably knew the whole story straight within 48 hours as these kids have more fear of him than the police or their parents, it seems. A lot of bad judgment to go around by everyone involved: especially the parents of the perpetrators for even considering allowing their sons to continue playing.

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Albert

10:22 am on Wednesday, March 21, 2012

@Wayne'World. Well said. And I do agree, sometimes you have to let boys be boys, and this one got out of hand. With that being said, I do know some of the boys involved, and for the most part they are good kids that got caught up in a situation. I think what bothered most people commenting on this site, is the fact that they all claimed to know "just the facts' and ALL of the boys were innocent.

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Al Scala

10:34 am on Wednesday, March 21, 2012

pam roz....your post is like being "a little bit pregnant". In this case they were either guilty of a crime or not. The matter is settled and 8 of the 9 pleaded down to a crime, from aggravated assault to simple assault. It happens all the time! Hopefully, this brings a distasteful event on many levels to an end.

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stewart resmer

10:38 am on Wednesday, March 21, 2012

Sorry WW 'boys being boys' does not equate to a kick in the head or 8 on 2.

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Billj

11:09 am on Wednesday, March 21, 2012

What about the adults who hosted the party which served alcohol!? They are in the clear?

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not from wayne

11:22 am on Wednesday, March 21, 2012

I find that it is quite amazing that no one here is appalled by the facts that the fearless leader, poor excuse of a football coach has only expressed his empathy for the 1 boy who wasn't involved in this whole mess. Not once has he retracted his statement that his players "Were only guilty of being football players for Wayne Hills!" Obviously we all know that this is not true. All he is worried about is apologies to the wrongly accused young man. What about the victims? What about expressing his diasppointment for the actions of the players that were involved? What about for the terrible decision he made in letting them all play in 2 state playoff games? That was a good message he sent out to the rest of his team and to all of the citizens of Wayne! Once again he was given a chance to make this right, AND HE DIDN'T!

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Dory Degen

9:47 pm on Sunday, March 25, 2012

not to worry....MOST are appalled at Olsen's lack of action and his overall behavior.

Scondo

11:29 am on Wednesday, March 21, 2012

Can we all agree to move on.

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Bob

12:24 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012

This entire matter was handled so poorly from day one. Typical for Wayne, the parents lawyer up their kids and let them plead down the charges to a simple assult. Very nice excellent lesson here. Yes we can move on but can the two kids from Valley move on with their lives? To follow up on Billj comment: yes whatever happened to the host where the party was being held-no comment from anyone-i wonder Why? The coach as no interest in the two victums only that the players didn't get to play in their game. Sad day for Wayne but we will move on until the next incident.

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1voice

1:36 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012

yes what happened to the parents who hosted the party???? I heard they told people we have the wayne police in our pockets......like i said b4 its a sad day in wayne .............

Rich

12:48 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012

Well, It looks as though this whole mess can be laid out to rest. The legal issues have been wrapped up with all nine kids. Let's hope they all learned a valuable lesson here about behavior and more importantly ACCOUNTABILITY.

In addition the BOE has straightened out the mess they helped create by , getting a Real Full Time superintendent and no longer allowing or encouraging Coaches/ADs to take on both roles. Perhaps with the new code of conduct ALL students athletes must sign, coaches will be more inclined to teach other life lessons to student athletes, than just how to run a power sweep.

This was in a nutshell, a very embarrassing episode, which was not at all helped by the antics of some adult parties who are not real fond of rules or accountability, but have hopefully learned, we all live in a society, where if we want to live in civility over chaos, it requires us to in the end to be accountable and make tough unpopular choices sometimes. I for one am a very satisfied resident that sanity prevailed.

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BethinWayne

1:36 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012

Very mild sentencing. Very mild. In Wayne it's all who you know. One of the parents must be connected. They all got off with a slap.

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eyes wide shut

3:21 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012

Ummm you are right Beth. Not to mention any names. But how do you think Kal Giest the lawyer came into the picture? He was referred by a parent of a student who's father happens to be a prominent lawyer in town.. Yep all who you know, not what you know...

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Kit Rogers

5:08 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012

dont you think the prosecutors know what they are doing? the charges were likely reduced because there was no evidence of assault as previoslu charged. now you say that they must know someone,,,,,,,,i for one do not consider probation a slap.......let them move on ,,,,,

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1voice

2:08 pm on Thursday, March 22, 2012

@kit rogers yes let them move on.......until the next party!!!!!!

Gordon Rizzuto

3:03 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012

That's unacceptable harsher punishments need to be handed down. Probation what a joke? They really should spend some time in a juvenile detention facility with that kid 18 years old spending a couple months in jail. That will teach them a lesson. What kind of ridiculous punishment is probation. They should've gone straight to trial. I wish I had been prosecuting this case. Kids need to take responsibility for their actions.

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Pad

4:44 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012

Clear cut this was a plea bargain. It amazes me how the location of the party and the owners of the house never made it into the press. For sure they were connected people with money. For as good as Wayne is, it also has many many skeletons in its closet. The BOE and the Mayor are a disgrace to this town. When something bad happens you don't hear "Boo" from the Mayor. The voters in this town need to wise up and open thier eye's to what is really going on in this township. They are also silent on the fire inspector who recently was arrested also. Like the cone of silence was dropped on this incident.

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Al Scala

4:57 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012

Pad.......about 2 weeks ago, I had asked Dan Hubbard to do a follow up story on the fire inspector. Nothing was ever done and there was no follow up to the story. I also find it strange that we have heard nothing on the matter. It is a curiousity. However, it doesn't surprise me in this town. Keep in mind, the football incident didn't come to light about 10 days or so after it actually happened, just after the November election. Who is in charge of the Record Room in Wayne? None other than Don Pavlak, our illustrious BOE President. (President in name only. Ceberio runs the show) The 7 young men who plea bargained did so about a month ago. We're just finding it out now! Maybe they should remane Wayne to Harper Valley.

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Lilly Brown

5:37 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012

Slap on the wrist for a bunch of thugs who follows the some tactics as their coach.

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still in town 78

9:30 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012

And is there not one thing in this town thats not a conspiracy? Or where the public has to hang one of the most respected, successful, and favorite coaches in the state. The same people that are screaming foul are the same people that complain about about retention of staff and administration. And you think its a big story that the man wants to sell his house and not deal with the b.s.

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still in town 78

9:45 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012

This man did what he thought was right ( stick up for his players when he thought they were right( not just in this instance but others) not pass judgement on a person before the courts found them guilty, determination, and most importantly be loyal.) I think those are lessons that some teachers/ coaches strive to teach, and even fewer succeed at. Coach Olsen being one of the few.

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Dory Degen

9:56 pm on Sunday, March 25, 2012

Coach Olsen did what he wanted. There is a big difference.
And btw, apparently it wasn't the "right" thing afterall now was it.

Kelly Lonigan

8:21 am on Thursday, March 22, 2012

Coach Olsen should be the next Pope. He stood up for his players and ignored the 2 victims and the Police. 8 of 9 were niot innocent in the eyes of the law. Is this really a difficult concept ?

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Gordon Rizzuto

10:46 am on Thursday, March 22, 2012

Still in town as an A.D. That is inapprorpiate. As a coach it's not but as A.D. it is. That's why he shouldn't be in both positions.

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still in town 78

11:09 am on Thursday, March 22, 2012

@Kelly The 2 "victims" were also involved in the fight. All I'm saying is its a difficult situation for anyone to be in and no matter what he did was wrong in someones eyes he is one of the few coaches in Wayne that have been around for more then a couple of years because of overreaction from citizens of Wayne.

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still in town 78

11:12 am on Thursday, March 22, 2012

@ Gordon I can see where your coming from. I could and would have a conversation about that if this were a different venue were a back and forth was possible.

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coolerheads

2:34 pm on Thursday, March 22, 2012

As a serious side effect from this situation – The WAYNE BOARD of EDUCATION is secretly eliminating the Athletic Directors positions at both High Schools in town.  The Board of Education has devised a plan to replace both Athletic Directors with one Athletic Director for the District (and it will not be Chris Olsen).  The plan is to go out of district and bring in an outsider  to run the Athletic Departments in both High Schools.   If this happens it will certainly have a negative effect on all the athletic teams in Wayne.  Wayne Township has historically been known for their top academics as well as top Athletic teams.   This will adversely affect every athletic teams at both High Schools from Football to Wayne Valley softball and sport in-between.  It is important to get this information out to the public and voice your opinion.  This major change in Athletics should not and cannot take place without the public’s knowledge.  Wayne Schools have the top athletic programs in Passaic County and one of the top programs in the state.  Why make a change and if it is so important to make this change why not let the public know what’s going on.  Why, because the Board of Education does not want you to know about it because it is targeted at one person and one person only

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Wayne's World

2:38 pm on Thursday, March 22, 2012

Why does each school need an athletic director? Seems like one person could do the job for both schools. It's mostly scheduling the athletic seasons and field availability, isn't it? How would it adversely affect the teams?

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Rich

3:01 pm on Thursday, March 22, 2012

Disagree. These are not universities. An AD at this level is largely administrative. They should not be involved with actual coaching or development of athletes. They should be overseeing the programs and making sure the schools risks are mitigated, that the programs meet the standards laid out by the state and to act in a disciplinary manner if the situation arises. Your points are way overstated here for this role and what the role actually is and should be.

And as an added bonus, it saves US the taxpayers some coin. About time!

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pam roz

3:02 pm on Thursday, March 22, 2012

If this is true, there are far too many sinister activities with the BOE that go on behind closed doors, it's disgusting. And it needs to STOP, NOW!

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looking for change

4:30 pm on Thursday, March 22, 2012

I hope this is true as it sounds like a great idea. Now along with the uniformed code of conduct being implemented in both high schools, we will have one administrator overlooking all WAYNE high school athlectics. This will also provide the beneft of purchasing all uniforms, equipment and supplies from one central source which should yield significant savings over the years. This should also bring parity bewteen the two high school athletic programs. An added bonus will be the savings of one salary and benefits. Since this is an administrative position, I dont beleive it will have any negative effect on coaching positions or the athletic programs. It shoudl also provide the district the ability to retain a veteran highly qualified and seasoned Athletic Director who may bring vast knowledge, new ideas, and an unbiased deemeanor to handle those tough decisions. Great way to unite players, parents, and coaches as WAYNE high school athletics rather than two competing high schools.
I hope the BOE takes a serious look at this proposal and inplements it.
GREAT SUGGESTION COOLERHEADS -

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Brian K

4:32 pm on Thursday, March 22, 2012

@coolerhead-this is actually a good idea (I hope this is not just a rumor). Maybe it will unite our athletes. Also, there would be one person in charge of all athletic related vendors, this could save a lot of money. I will definitely get this message out and ask people to send emails to support this money saving organizational move. Good job BOE. Is there any other area we can do this?

eyes wide shut

3:08 pm on Thursday, March 22, 2012

This is ALL hearsay and speculation..Nothing MORE. Olsen having 2 positions is NOT hearsay or speculation..

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WayneinWayne

8:10 am on Friday, March 23, 2012

i thought his house was for sale and he was taking his son the star qb ball and his ball and leaving Wayne to punish us all?

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ELka

9:16 am on Friday, March 23, 2012

Sounds like a good plan. Why are some people selectively excusing this? What if those football players attacked your mother or wife or daughter? Would it then be "boys being boys"?

Paul M

1:53 am on Saturday, March 24, 2012

Kid left unconscious is reported in the media. True? If so that's not gonna be forgotten. What happens when some tough guy from WV decides an eye for an eye?

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Gordon Rizzuto

2:39 pm on Saturday, March 24, 2012

Exactly Paul. Harsher punishments needed to be handed down for that reason. That's exactly why those kids shouldn't have played in the game anyway. Fact is thatis how a lot of kids think. A lot of kids are an eye for an eye. Well fi they beat up my teammate and were allowed to play foootball I'll be allowed to play my sport.

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WayneinWayne

3:00 pm on Saturday, March 24, 2012

so when are the Olsenites going to release all the facts that they have been holding so near and dear? All the cases are settled. 8 of 9 guilty. We were told that they have the real truths....so what is the story? they all pleaded down but were all innocent and not at the party? it s a big conspiracy i guess. Talk about looking stupid.

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Dory Degen

9:49 pm on Sunday, March 25, 2012

i know! they were all talk a couple months ago and now there are CRICKETS.

pam roz

6:09 am on Monday, March 26, 2012

You guys are really a piece of work! First, you are forgetting that all charges were completely dropped against one. Doesn't he count? That, in and of itself, is ENOUGH to confirm that NO ACTION should have been taken by the BOE.

Second: The BOE knows that at least 1 or 2 other boys who took probation were NOT present.

Third...If there was REAL evidence against these kids, the prosecutor would NOT have allowed them to plea to probation. Probation, in my opinion, is no penalty at all. Especially for kids who are good kids. There comes a time, when, as a parent, you just have to throw in the towel and stop the fighting. What better outcome could there have been? The kids' records will be CLEAN at the end of the probation term. Perhaps the parents couldn't afford to keep paying the attorneys?

Fourth: You are ignoring the fact that the victims' parents were involved in the decision to permit a penalty of probation. If I was one of the victim's parents and I knew a crime was committed against my son, there is no way I would agree to such a lenient sentence.

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Scondo

11:02 am on Monday, March 26, 2012

There is a strong presumption in the juvenile justice system that first time offenders are entitled to probationary sentences. The idea is that they can learn from their mistakes and go forth and have productive lives without the matter constantly chasing them. But before the Judge accepts the pleas , he or she establishes factually that there is a basis for the plea. That factual basis is that the person charged did the act or some approximation of the act charged. Judge would not accept the plea otherwise. Passaic County has a number of judges sitting on juvenile cases who are very astute, in other words, no one is getting over on them. The prosecutors in juvenile cases also look to the rehabilitation of the juvenile, so you see what it is really all about is preventing further issues When it is your kid on the line, you are thankful that this is the way it works.

Gordon Rizzuto

7:27 am on Monday, March 26, 2012

Pam I'm just wondering how would you have handled the situation? Seriously I'm not being sarcastic and actually willing to hear how you personally would have handled the situation.

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Albert

7:36 am on Monday, March 26, 2012

pam, wait.
First, You mention a "victim's parenet". How can there be a victim if these boys are all innocent like you continue to claim.
Second. BS!! If there were another 1 or 2 that could prove they were not there, those charges would have been dropped 100%. They must not be able to prove they were not there.
Third - BS again!! they offer probabtion all the time to people they know are guilty if it is a first offense. So you saying they had no real evidence is WRONG. If there was NO REAL evidence like you claim, why in the world would anyone agree to probabtion. If I knew I was 100% innocent, and there was NO REAL evidence, I would let them take me to court, because there would be know way I would be found guilty.
I wonder of you really believe what you are saying? Because 99% of the people that read what you write, can't believe you are writing it.

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pam roz

9:06 am on Monday, March 26, 2012

Gordon/Albert: Asked and answered on my post of 9:01 am.

WayneinWayne

8:35 am on Monday, March 26, 2012

i believe that Pam believes all the things she writes. i also believe she is either 8 years old or somehow challenged. she also thinks OJ was innocent. even if she was at the party and saw the 9-2 she would somehow block it out, excuse the behavior , or say the victims had it coming, there is not any way she would have any of the 9 guilty of doing anything except being wayne hills football players, and wayne hills football players are gods in her eyes - and could never do anything wrong. So, you cant win with Pam Roz so might as well give it up. Maybe her last name actually begins with an O

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pam roz

9:01 am on Monday, March 26, 2012

Wayne in Wayne: You're an idiot. I have constantly advised throughout this whole process that:

Some may have been guilty of something, but all were not guilty of everything. Read my posts.

And that is enough to convince a reasonable person that the justice system was the appropriate arbiter, not the BOE.

And by bringing up OJ, you can't have your cake and eat it too, you moron! You have an IQ less than Kelly (who is at the doorknob IQ level) If the justice system determined OJ was NOT guilty and you think that was a mistake, why is the justice system 100% accurate in this case?

I also want re-post NJ Law that the boys plead guilty to being in a fight. No one is denying that a fight took place. You just wish to continue to ignore the facts,

In accordance with N.J.S.A. 2C:12-1
Simple Assault: A person commits a simple assault if he/she attempts to cause or purposely, knowingly or recklessly causes bodily injury to another. Simple assault is a disorderly persons offense except where it is the result of a fight by mutual consent, in which case it is a petty disorderly persons offense.

Simply put: They plead guilty to being in a fight, possibly by mutual consent. I don't think there was ever a question that this occurred and no one denied that a fight took place.

Quite different than the "facts" that were reported, which supported aggravated assault.

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eyes wide shut

9:08 am on Monday, March 26, 2012

As per Pam, everyone is an idiot and she in her own mind is the Genius..Wondering if she calls her kids an idiot if they disagree with her?...Don't sweat it WayneinWayne, im sure you have been called much worse, BUT, by much better people.

WayneinWayne

11:04 am on Monday, March 26, 2012

You guys have to admit that it is quite scary if pam Roz is actually a parent right?

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pam roz

1:30 pm on Monday, March 26, 2012

Sorry guys...It's extremely difficult to attempt to communicate with people who obviously have problems comprehending written English. It appears you are able to read but your comprehension is lacking.

Albert:
I never once suggested they were all innocent.
But, you conveniently chose to disregard the boy who had the charges completely dropped. In your opinion, apparently he doesn't count. Right?

Let me make this clear...The issue all along has been with the BOE, not with the justice system.

FACT
Interim superintendant tells the coach that the boys were required by law to play.
Interim superintendant reverses his decision advising he misinterpreted state law and suspends the boys.
The BOE is presented with evidence and issues a statement that 3 of the boys were not present at the incident and overturns the superintendant's suspension.
Responding to public opinion on websites like this, where many of you clearly have comprehension issues, the BOE meets on the day after Thanksgiving and overturns their decision and the boys are prohibited from playing in the state championship game.

Albert

1:34 pm on Monday, March 26, 2012

Sue, You HAVE claimed that all were innocent. And WE did not know the facts. YOU were the one saying, "wait until all the facts come out". For the boy that had the charges dropped, justice was served, charges were dropped. What else there is to say about it?

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pam roz

2:27 pm on Monday, March 26, 2012

Albert:

If you were responding to me, first, I'd like you to get your eyeglasses checked.

Second, I challenge you to find ANY post of mine which confirms or even suggests what you claim in your first sentence.

And you are the type of individual to whom the BOE chose to listen??? That is a sorry commentary.

Gordon, you are entitled to your opinion. Just remember, it is an opinion. I personally don't think it had ANYTHING to do with WH - WV.

If it were 2 stoned, drunk, smart ass Hills kids that who showed up at a party to which they were not invited, and started mouthing off and fighting with everyone, being disrespectful to the adults and neighbors, do you really think the results would have been different?

I do agree that it is a no win situation for anyone.

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not from wayne

10:15 am on Tuesday, March 27, 2012

@Pam You should really get your facts straight. First of all, what do you think the 8 guilty Hlls kids were doing that night having milk & cookies?? Are you sure that they were invited? Why don't you call the host of party and check your facts. Maybe the victims were invited, considering one victim has known the family his entire life. Why can't you admit that these 8 boys got way out of control and did something wrong that night. Thank God their brutal attack didn't cause any serious pyhsical injuries for everyone involved. The guilty are very lucky, because if weren't their first offense and the physical injuries were worse; their punishment would have been so much harsher. That's a fact and the law!

Gordon Rizzuto

2:05 pm on Monday, March 26, 2012

Pam I respectfully see where you are coming from but I respectfully disagree with you. We all know how highschool kids are we were all in highschool at one point or another. I personally believe had nothing been done there would have been retaliation from the Wayne Valley kids. Also I believe that missing the championship game played part in the decision to give the kids probation because that is a pretty bad punishment. All I'm saying Pam I think no matter what happened it was a lose lose situation. Yes I do feel for the kid who wasn't there I really do but obviously only one wasn't there. Trust me graduating relatively recently I'm almost positive that the Wayne Valley students would have retaliated someway It's a whole school pride thing.

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WayneinWayne

3:21 pm on Monday, March 26, 2012

Pam - you have gone on and on and on about the real truth....please enlighten us.

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eyes wide shut

3:30 pm on Monday, March 26, 2012

WayneinWayne. YOU really need to ask Pam to enlighten us? She is doing that WITHOUT being asked..Whats funny is, the truth to the OLD saying. "empty barrels make the most noise". BTW..Pam when is the going away party for your savior? Betting most here would like to send a fruit basket or something as a going away present..

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pam roz

5:05 pm on Monday, March 26, 2012

Well, WayneinWayne, since you ask...

I did omit the facts that at least one of the two kids has been in trouble with the law multiple times and had already been suspended from WV sometime prior to the incident, which took place in Oct 2011.

eyes and brain wide shut...you don't seem to know any facts, not even the date of the going away party.
But, make your best attempt to prove me wrong. Guess what, you can't!

And since you can't, let's make an assumption that this info is accurate.
Try to distance yourself from your lovefest with WVHS and let us know
if the info is accurate, would your unbiased opinion on ANYTHING change at all?

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eyes wide shut

5:13 pm on Monday, March 26, 2012

Pam YOUR boys were GUILTY as charged and plea bargain down..Along with Coach Olsen getting a FRUIT basket we are going to send YOU one too..Perhaps you should buy YOUR coaches house?? Maybe keep it as a shrine? Pam you are out with the tide along with your so called savior.. Don't let the cabin door hit either of you in the butt on the way out..Na Na Na Na, hey hey GOOD BYE

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eyes wide shut

5:19 pm on Monday, March 26, 2012

Oh Pam, anything coming from YOU, no one would ever assume ANYTHING

pam roz

7:00 pm on Monday, March 26, 2012

Oops, I'm sorry eyes/brain wide shut, there I am again using multiple syllable words. I know you have trouble with them. I'll try to dumb it down for you next time.

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eyes wide shut

8:39 am on Tuesday, March 27, 2012

na na na na, hey hey, good bye LOL LOL LOL

WayneinWayne

9:05 am on Tuesday, March 27, 2012

Pam - how many of the Wayne hills boys had run ins with the police before thie 9-2? How many had run-ins with the police after the incident? Let's see how truthful you can be and how much you really know

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pam roz

10:02 am on Tuesday, March 27, 2012

Gee, Wayne... You really want to go there???

I guess you know the identifications of each of the 9 then, don't you? One name was publicized. The other 8 were not.

Despite the fact that I question the need to reply to you, when you don't respond to my specific questions, I am, at the very least truthful in what I post. The truth is I don't know, except for the one adult boy whose name was mentioned in the pep rally/air horn incident. I don't exactly call that a "run in with police." Just media embellishing a story to make a buzz.

Seems strange that you are not denying the history of the victims, one of whom was tweeting/facebooking about the drugs he was going to score as the result of this incident. Hmmm......

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WayneinWayne

10:31 am on Tuesday, March 27, 2012

pam roz - does the history of the victims really come into play and make the 8-2 beating acceptable? did they have it coming and the wayne hills boys were judge, jury, executioner and doled out their form of justice? I do know all 9 of the names mentioned and i do know that at least 1 had a police involved problem in the summer before the event. Another 1 has had a police issue after the event. do you really want to go there pam? whats good for the goose. keep your head in the sand and only acknowledge the facts that suit you. that is the definition of ignorance

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pam roz

11:08 am on Tuesday, March 27, 2012

Wayne: You really have a comprehension problem, don't you? I acknowledged every fact I was aware of, including the one "after the incident".

If one, as you are suggesting, had a police record prior to the incident, I find it hard to believe that the prosecutors would agree to a sentence of probation, especially if there was evidence to support the original charge of aggravated assault. By simple deduction, there obviously was no evidence to support that charge.

And yes, I do believe the victim's history absolutely was considered when the sentencing of the 7 was agreed upon.

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eyes wide shut

11:17 am on Tuesday, March 27, 2012

Pam, YOU, YOUR coach and all the rest are OUT with the tide. Face it and get over it.....GUILTY as CHARGED..The law has spoken and so have the residents of this town...Yes a fruit basket for you is in order...bye bye

WayneinWayne

12:04 pm on Tuesday, March 27, 2012

if you believe the victims history was considered when the sentencing was done then you are in essence saying "blame the victim" for the beating. what a great role model you must be. So if a girl wears a short skirt and is raped it is also partly her fault right pam? keep your head in the sand... its a great place to be. I know for a fact that one of the 8 guilty was involved with the police beforehand because his older brother was also involved and they published his name in the paper. hole in sand - meet pam's head.

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eyes wide shut

12:12 pm on Tuesday, March 27, 2012

The more Pam spews the more funny she looks, Its really a joke, everyone and we mean everyone gets it expect Pam, oh maybe her coach the savior...It will be all over soon, the house will sell and Pam will have to look for something else to whine about..

WayneinWayne

12:22 pm on Tuesday, March 27, 2012

i still believe pam 's real last name ends in O. who else would ignore reality and all common sense and keep up this charade of stupidity.

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eyes wide shut

12:36 pm on Tuesday, March 27, 2012

Now that would be an insult to the coach LOL

Kelly Lonigan

12:37 pm on Tuesday, March 27, 2012

Hey PAM - do you know the teacher that was assaulted with the airhorn? do you know her medical status and how she has been adversely effected? I'm pretty sure she is in bad shape but you seem to be the ultimate Wayne Hills apologist. The incident was alot more then the media embellishing a story to create a buzz. OH BOY

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pam roz

6:32 am on Wednesday, March 28, 2012

You haters are in for a surprise.

Let's see how your pocketbooks appreciate it.

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Dory Degen

3:28 pm on Saturday, May 19, 2012

real nice lady. you seem to be enjoying this just a sukosh too much.

WayneinWayne

8:38 am on Wednesday, March 28, 2012

on no. here we go again. pam claims to have "inside" info. should we hold our breathe. lets hope its better then the last time when she was a complete failure. i predict right now there will be zero dollars gained in any lawsuit.

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pam roz

9:03 am on Wednesday, March 28, 2012

Complete failure, Wayne?

Giving you the benefit of the doubt for missing two apostrophes, your post has two other obvious misspellings where your command of the English language is clearly lacking. I suggest you look in the mirror before YOU call someone a "complete failure".

To your chagrin, there will be more than dollars gained.

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eyes wide shut

9:20 am on Wednesday, March 28, 2012

Pam YOUR ship has sailed....BYE BYE ...Whats the RSVP date for the going away party for Coach and hopefully YOU...

WayneinWayne

10:31 am on Wednesday, March 28, 2012

yes pam you and all your predictions and "inside" facts have amounted to ZERO. i'm still waiting for the big truth that you posted about over and over again. keep bowing to false idols and make HS football your biggest priority in life. you are a great role model. lets get some details about this big lawsuit for 1 kid missing 1 HS football game . The BOE made their decisions based on the Wayne PD. So i guess the injured party is suing the Wayne PD? how funny that you actually believe any of this mularkey. Wasnt the party involved suspended from school for an extended period as a junior? oh yea, i forgot, head in the sand pam.

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Scondo

10:39 am on Wednesday, March 28, 2012

The young man who was not involved held a press conference this am on 10 10 wins

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Wayne's World

10:50 am on Wednesday, March 28, 2012

I heard it on the way to work. The intro to the interview (of which 10 seconds was aired) said that scholarship offers dried up in the wake of the accusations. The kid didn't mention that at all in the part that was aired. He basically said his life was made very difficult, mostly because the incident was talked about incessantly at school and he was tired of hearing it. He said that others testified that he was not at the scene but it made no difference in being cleared early. He said he was at a different party and did not witness any of the incident but did mention there was a fight in the garage that seemed to have started the whole thing. Didn't really know what to make of the interview. The part that aired was basically what I mentioned. The kid sounded a little dopey, almost half-asleep, so I don't know if that was a bit of nerves being interviewed or just being a 17 yr old.

Kit Rogers

3:38 pm on Wednesday, March 28, 2012

That's nice call the kid dopey,,,,,what is wrong with you?

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Harry

9:15 pm on Sunday, June 10, 2012

I want to know how are the 2 whom were attacked ??

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