Is this a ' Packanack Lake members only' event with verifiable ID required?
With all the talk about voter id as of late here at Patch and the divergent opinions expressed, I am curious who gets to use the site in a dues paying community and if any set asides are given?
Even the BOE has been wrestling with user fees at schools and who pays or does not pay how much?

The 5k run is open to anyone who would like to participate. Packanack Day itself is a community event, but no one is asked to show id and guests are welcome.

Who paid for the Police? Was it 'The Packanack Lake Club', or We The People?

Packanack Lake Athletic Association pays police and all related bills. Zero dollars are paid by the township residents.

May I inquire as to how much that comes to for a point of reference, or would I have to file an OPRA request on th township for it?
And if ever anyone else wanted to do a similar event would they have to be vetted by your 'Club' before using a public conveyance through the stree there?

The police have their hourly charges that are paid. For their rates you can inquire to them directly.
As far as other events, there are already several of them that run through the year. Come out and enjoy the fun.

Why all the nastiness? It's beautiful outside....get off your computers and go outside and have some fun!

Ah yes more ad hominem from the anon leanbean making personal remarks too fearful to use his true name is it?

Maryanne are you the one being investigated by the attorney general for corruption as CEO of 4C's for several million dollars of DHS disallowed monies?

Me? Jealous of the noblige private 1 pct's having a field day? Certainly not, these are honest questions using my true name with photo? How much, who pays, I'd card check? All topical issues of the days public discourse. ( Nothing more)

Can we please keep the comments on point here everybody? It was a fun-filled day for a lot of Wayne families.

Stewart, you have misidentified me as a CEO....nothing could be futher from the truth. I take care of patients who are sick. I work for my hourly wage and pay for my health care benefits. I also love Packanack Lake and wish I could be outside playing there today.

Maryanne, it was a question? Thank you for your dedication day in and day out in your calling. You have my respect.

Pat, go back to selling Real Estate in Packanack. Buyers won't be reading these comments, you don't have to worry about your commissions in this terrible housing market.

Interesting to hear all these comments about who pays what. This race has been going on for as long as I lived in Wayne, close to two decades. I am a road racer and have run races in dozens of towns in North Jersey. This is the first time anyone was questioning where the money came from. Either run and enjoy or mind your beeswax.

Stewart, are you a homeowner in Wayne? I don't see any tax records in your name anywhere in the municipality. Why then do you have such a negative opinion from the get go? I really don't care what you think. You are human and therefore have a right to an opinion. I am opinionated myself and I respect you for speaking out. I'm more interested in the back story that we don't know you. I just found your immediate bashing of what appears to be a very nice day rather intentional, harsh and unprovoked.

none, what I have come to know for the last 12 years in wayne Township is quite a story, firstly the political inbreeding. council members appointed in a neat little trick for how long?
Do I undersatnd that judge weis' father was the former muni judge?
For decades the township has been flooding and no comprehensive plan has been put forward by a succession of councils?
And oh my lest not we forget that mob scene @ council, no shelter from the storm for those displaced, and council saying the red cross failed? Puleeezzzz?
And then what, chicken prosecutions and council decisions costing millions in tax payer money for serendipity like vote from the dais that fly contrary to the fact and the law that reult in law suits?
A Korean vet lies dead in his home for a year as the city mows his lawn and processes his tax lien?
Council bemoans POTUS for coming to view the flooding and speaks poorly of him for leaving the nation and verily the worlds problems behind to do it? And what no council person there? and when FEMA extends 2 million to survey the problem what do we get from the dais? Insulting the FED for doing it? Cheeky my mother would have called it!

Comes now a movement from the extreme right who want to purge the voter rolls as ALEC (American Legislative Exchange Council) http://alecexposed.org/wiki/ALEC_Exposed agenda's fingerprints are over the initiative based on a phony excuse its the deceased on the voting lists whn there is no emperical data to support any irregularities here at all? But by thunder as loneranger 1 says this is for GOD and country all others need not apply then is it?
Homeowner associtaions formed to take natural resources for their pleasure, as the state goes into drought?

but i do digress...

Stewart...I've said it before...there are at least 5 lake communities in Wayne and you must have some reason to ONLY pick on Packanack. For those of us who live there we pay dues and our families enjoy the ammenities. We raise money for charities including our own activities. Everyone is welcome at Packanack Day (which by the way is a free event...only vendors charge fees which are very small) and the Block Party which rasises money for our Athletic Activities. I am not sure why you are so bitter. It was a beautiful day followed by a beautiful night including FREE fireworks....get off your high horse and join a group or something....you seem very depressed...

Michelle, are we not entitled to know the expenses involved in this event, who paid for them and at what cost when it comes to public agencies participation?

So long as we are on about this particular lake? Some on posted that it is a bio hazard where this body of water is not fit for human consumption? If this be true then who is liable for its clean up? The association or the tax payers? And when may I ask was the latest survey of the waters quality and the dams lower walls structural integrity?
I mean really we just cant have associations maintaining a potential public nusance where water floods downstream properties can we?

Dring gave no specifics

Michelle, I attended the Farleigh Dickesnson forum on regional flooding and what we were told was that 'sister lakes' formed over eons and that in certain areas development should never have been allowed to begin with? Is Packanack lake one of those areas? Should this lake be drained?
In our time the chickens have come home to roost (sorry mr alfieri) in the form of buy outs for flooded downstream properties that this township cannot even afford a $2 m ante for in order to qualify for a FEMA grant of $20 million and so the township with a $36 m defecit turns to the state for?
What am I missing in this scenario where the township has been the good steward?

Roland..aka dude?, I am not related to anyone here in wayne, by blood or marriage.

http://newjersey.craigslist.org/vnn/3155276712.html

I can not beleive their are so many comments about this story. I bit on several occassions becuase of Stewart...I should not have as he is clearly bitter and enjoys it, as evidenced by the volume of his posts all over the Patch. This was a fun day - note the pictures of happy people, which will support charity and yes, one neighborhood had a party - enough said. Packanack 5K - many more years of success and fun!

B.B, lets assume that because your org hired city staff using city resources you do not have to divulge your costs, that does not mean the town is not obliged to release those fees for service in response to an OPRA request.
Why is it that this township is so obsessed with secrecy, I mean look at the Wayne Auto Spa case? what is everyone so scared of around here?

uh BB? oaklands man in charge of the flood gates is Waynes water guy too isnt he?
kinda rope a doped yerself tthere huh? uhm jes sayin bro?

how is private use of the streets and civil servants with tax payer assets none of any ones business? I dont get you people? n
why that naked aggression? what have you all got to hide anyways?

You mean it's not true???

I knew there was a reason for all your secrecy! but really aliens and space craft?

Glad I could make you laugh. Hard to believe that an article about a charitable event turned into ridiculous vitriol. Keep up the great work over there.

BB dont drink the kool aide is my best advice

I'm not the delusional one, but thanks for the concern. Get new line, though. The kool aid gag is really becoming quite trite.

BB yer the one talkin space ships n aliens

marybeth, it sounds reasonable to me the final accounting may not be in, but honestly why all the secrecy when one OPRA request to the township will answer the question, why is your org so secretive?
it seems so simple? and besides you folks dont own the streets there do you? they are not 'private' are they? guard shacks armed guards and the like?
all this posturing and boards fo governors and all? it seems silly to me?

You're the one spewing conspiracy theories about a charitable event.

so, is the dude the same 70 yr old guy who has not worked in some thrity years now and lives off his 101 yr old mother inlaws social security checks?

BB what conspiracy, what does it cost to put on an event? no conspiracies? just stone walling and ad hominem just for asking? whats the big secret here?

is the dude related to everyone named here?
http://newjersey.craigslist.org/vnn/3155276712.html

here dud, you forgot this one too?
http://www.northjersey.com/news/140268063_Wayne_s_chauffeur_to_the_stars.html

what say you dud are you related here too? http://www.free-press-release.com/news-stephen-g-sudovar-reported-to-judge-mary-margaret-mcveigh-passaic-superior-court-for-outbursts-and-threats-in-courtroom-1324515221.html

Mr. Resmer, I truly believe you should make yourself available to all of the wonderful events that go on in our town. Whether it be 5k races, walks, carnivals, festivals, etc. There are so many good things to enjoy in our Wayne.
Most of the events happen through the efforts of volunteers who get paid nothing and put hours and hours of hard work into making these events a success. That is what makes our town such a great place to live.
So please leave your house for a few hours every now and again and go out and meet your neighbors. I think you will find there are many good people out there and that you will actually enjoy yourself.
Life is too short, enjoy the good things while you can.

DUDE,just read the article on Hollywood Stu. Article was January 2011. Just moved here,to stay with girlfriend but wife mentioned ? For somebody who only moved here over a year ago sure talks the talk but never walked the walk. So stu, why don't you do everyone here a favor and move back to Hollywood and tell stories to everyone back there like you do here.Sorry to hear they broke into your house,should have taken your computer instead (sorry dan,had to throw that one in) SO stop talking like you lived here all your life when in fact you NOSE nothing!!!!!

Mr Dring, lets agree to disagree on whether or not Wayne Township is such a great place to live in view of the recent prolonged crime wave whether the entire forces of the WPD were hapless as a Hoffman Grove homeowner with chickens and and alternative power generating suit against the city trying to build a dorm as council moves the goal posts?
Accountablity, transparency and open gvt seems to be lacking here . Your org seems to have the same sort of mind set.
So far as your critique of my where abouts and comings and goings, its really none of your business after all is it?

Glad to see everyone had a wonderful time at Packanack Day. Congratulations to all the winners!!

By engaging in discourse with the irrational you provide them legitimacy. You will never convince them of anything, only providing them a sturdier soapbox.

yes well dude? now that your mother inlaws house has been sold to pay yoour food and rent, do you propose to get a job after what 30 years of not working? Or is that whopping tax lein against you still on file?

A great time had by all...and by my accounts a HUGH success...one of the biggest in at least 10 years...way to go Organization Committee and all volunteers who helped! I'll be back next year for sure!

Jody Smith is the 5K Coordinator of the PLAA and she deserves all the credit for it's success. Although she recruits help from volunteers on race day she does 99% of the work and we are grateful for volunteers like her.

yes BB, a lifetimes worth of keep sakes and momentos of a dear heart, alas we were not alone, three houses on this block in one afternoon, as two alarms went off and for what ever reason the WPD did not come?
thank you for your most heart felt concern.

Stewart-for-brains,If you don't like it, move back to HOLLYWOOD!!!!!

BB to intimate that a contract with the township is a prvate matter is not exactly correct and I will prove it tyou when my OPRA is complied with on th part of the township.
It was a simple question at the outset and your crowd have reacted hysterically,.

again nose when you grow a pair and come out from behind your alter ego do post under your true and correct legal name leastwise folks might take you seriously.

Dring? Dring? Dring?
Mr Dring, that's sort of an unusual name isnt it? are you any relation to Wayne Police Lt Paul Dring by any chance? Works in the traffic division there.

Rob interesting how you too do not use your true and correct legal name as you define the parameters of the terms of service for Patch to suit your political prerogatives?
As you may have noticed other reputable news sources now use Facebook as the preffered gateway for user identification?
Perhaps its time for the Patch network to follow suit?
In this way the malicious intent of malcontents the likes of which post here in furtherance of their personal agenda that have nothing to do with the topical issues of the day will be exposed for who they are and thus held accountable.

Hers another Dring reference: http://www.jamesdring.co.uk/

Rob? what are you talking about? all I ever asked was how much does an event like this cost, who pays for it, and who can attend and what happened?
Here we have some community group that puts on an otherwise every day sporting eveny yet when asked these questions we find they are not willing to discuss the mechanics of putting on such an event?
And now you? whats the big secret about?

RE: the Dring family? I dont know them, never met them to my recollection, I know Lt Dring manages the WPD traffic department however, I have spoken to him before. Is all this secrecy related to the Drings and the Lt's poisiton as traffic officer, is that what all this cover up is about?
Because if it is thats sill when one could go to this link and find out what public employees salaries are?
http://www.app.com/section/DATA/DataUniverse
So why all the anon alter egos here, and cover ups of the allocation of public employees and resources retained by the Packanack Lake org?

Rob, by engaging in discourse with the irrational you provide them legitimacy. You will never convince them of anything, only providing them a sturdier soapbox.

oh amused real men and women do have facebook acoounts, several hundred million of them through out the world!

ROB BUDDY? I didnt accuse Maryann Mirko (The Dudes Sister in law) of anything, Governor Christie began here:
http://www.northjersey.com/news/state/governor/95205599_Non-profit_pay_capswill_have_little_effect.html

The Record went there:

http://www.northjersey.com/news/0217_State_orders_child_agency_to_return_679000.html

and here:

http://www.northjersey.com/news/022512_Passaic_County_non-profit_agency_paid_son_of_CEO_2_million_records_show.html

And today the matter rests in the State Attorney Generals Office Division of Criminal Justice Corruption Section assigned as:
# 20122840

Now this is all public information with Packnack Lake as the locale for some of these articles personalities?

You did accuse the woman who posted as Maryann of being Maryann Mirko. And what if Dring is related to the cop? Your wife/girlfriend is related to Mirko. Not everything in life is a cover up.

No Rob, I asked Maryann if she were and she clarified, right so what if the Drings are realted to a sworn peace officer, exactly, the past articles name my relationship, there is no cover except the unwilliingness of the PLake or to discuss the financial arrangements that are subject to OPRA any way for the retention of township employees and resources, so yes? why the cover up by the PLake org here?
I keep repeating it, whats the big deal?

and besides why do all you people hide behind alter ego anon names to begin with, why your the cover up? why are you all so afraid to be identified by name?

edit: and besides why do all you people hide behind alter ego anon names to begin with, why the cover up? why are you all so afraid to be identified by name?

Stewart there is no fing coverup. No one is hiding anything. You were told numerous times the deal. If you would like specifics then call the PLCA office as Marybeth Dring requested. You are an ass and just looking to get under peoples skins. I'm not related to anyone but live a beautiful life in a beautiful neighborhood. Too bad your life sucks so you want everyone else's to suck too. I feel horrible for your wife/girlfriend. You must not be happy at home...a shame really. Poor you...can I bring you something to help? I'm nice like that...but all you want to hear is how we all stink....sorry...it's not me...it's you....

Asked/accused, its all semantics. File your OPRA report. Do you think it possible that every member, even someone on the Board of the PLAA might not know what it costs? How organizations work is that some items are handled by committees. And we post anonymously because we all belong to a secret society, who's goal is to drive people like you crazy.

There is no cover - what don't you get? Mrs. Dring stated the bill from Wayne PD has not come in yet and Mr. Dring said you can contact Wayne PD for rates - file your OPRA, nothing to hind. As other costs related to the event are concerned, where private enterprise, sponsorships, PLAA costs and so on are concerned they are none of your business or for the public at large. Not becuase it is a secret but becuase the event is about charity, fun and those who enjoy to run/walk, not about the costs to put it on - focus on the positive. Would Wayne FOWA disclose what the costs were to put on one of their events to you on Patch? No, they would not. Next you will say that Dude or Nose was the second gunman on the grassy knoll in Dallas. What is wrong with you? This was a fun day that included a charity run that was held on both public streets and private property. Wayne PD was hired and for the safety of the runners. The entire 5K event was done in about 3 hours. Packanack Day is a private event for which its memeber pay for. If you belonged to a club, I would not ask you about what you pay and where the money goes. Participants were from all over and the primary beneficiary, UGP, supports organizations that support the community as a whole - I hope you never need he services from the likes of Wayne VOAD or Eva's Kitchen, but should you, know this run helped those that would be helping you. I have repeated most of what I said, you don't want to get it.

Not even sure why I am doing this and I will probably regret it. But here goes. Both myselfd and my husband gave our real names as we have nothing to hide, which includes the fact that he is Lt. Dring's brother.
As for the power plant link, it was founded 7 years before my husband was born which should prove he has nothing to do with it, although i am sure money from it would be nice. All it really proves is that there is more than one Jim Dring in the world.

ATTAGIRL MICHELLE!!!!! You read my mind. Rob, Don't waste your breath, babble,babble,babble, that's all he NOSE..DAN,Hope you have been listening to all this nonscense, can you shut him off like you do for posts ? Never in my life have I seen such negativity than him. People can't talk about what the real issues are without him rattling on. Thank you for listening to us all vent.

Marybeth, please, the name of the power plant in England is a fascinating factoid, I hope you folks take the time to find out more about the Drings! Honest.
So far as the LT is concerned, even if he is the traffic officer, and the org interacted with him in some way to secure officers, resources and street closures, whats the matter here? I have no problem with it at all?
All I ever asked was how this event was staged, and paid for at what cost, who may or may not attend, I mean hoestly suppose some one wanted to put on a similar even at the Lake and wanted to understand what it entails? At this juncture judging form my experience here at Patch, you get no answers, you become a target for personal insults, and all this does is reinforce the notion that Wayne is not such the woderful place after all?

Broadway, THANK YOU!!! glad someone else here sees that he has some type of whatever it is. And NOSE,never been to Dallas ( lmao). Marybeth, I have NOSED your husbands brother for many years and is an outstanding person and police officer and you have nothing to regret about. Everyone that is in this tight knit group NOSE what Stewart is ,but I try to be nice and give true and accurate information. Maybe if everyone ignores him he will just go away ? Stay safe all,enjoy the day and keep posting.

All those in favor of that say I, The I's have it. MOVE!!!!

If you are truly interested in attending or putting on such an event, you woul call the people involved and you would find willing and able volunteers who enjoy particpating in their community. But that is not what you did...you were the first post on the Patch to an article that had pictures of smiling faces and kids races with retoric of "...I am curious who gets to use the site in a dues paying community and if any set asides are given? Even the BOE has been wrestling with user fees at schools and who pays or does not pay how much?". Packanack is a private association whose members pay for it use, the taxes and upkeep and we have one of the strongest populations of volunteers in Wayne....you questioned why so many Packanack people references....many volunteers and public servants are from Packanack becuase we care. You should try it - it gives great pleasure to give back and try to make things better than how you found them and bring people together. To go back to your original question many programs use the Packanack fields for a nominal fee - much less than the BOE would charge - I believe it is like $50...including DePaul, NFL Flag Football and Wayne Soccer....all of which facilitates programs for those outside Packanack. Wayne or any other location is what you make of it. You want it to be negative. I choose to see the positive and enjoy my home, my town and salute those the serve us such as Wayne PD, FD and the volunteers in the community!!

michelle perhaps you would be so kind to reveal to us here at Patch whether or not your org that you are treasurer of, is a tax exempt one subject to public dislcosure of your finances reportable to the state and fed? And what your tax id # would be there?

PLCA has that specific information. Call the club manager and I'm sure she will give you the information needed. I do not have that information here. I was treasurer many years ago...You need the number? You can google it...you're pretty good with googling that stuff....

BB about VOAD, it is an org dedicated to give political cover for the historical failed policies of successive councils that have resulted in the unmitigated disaster the spectacle of the townships failure to protect it citizens revealed during the recent storms.
Miz Ryans initiative as well intentioned as it may be gives me the impression that she feels the council is unable to to effectively govern in these regards. If council were not so hell bent on casting bad votes that result in law suits that cost the township millions then perhaps the fire department could be funded 100%.
So far as my putting on an event with 'The Club'?
Gee, no thanks.

ah michelle! so the information IS available for public review after all then!

Packanack is NOT tax expempt. We pay thousands and thousands of dollars in property tax. Does that make you feel better? Which is why we have no obligation to publically disclose anything to you. We do however run a transparent organziation with meetings and published financial information in our subscription "Packanews"...we hand a handful of employees and every other person involved in a volunteer including the Board of Governors and the people on PLAA - check out our website to find out more about Packanack: packanacklake.com since you are so interested.

yes bb but not all taxpayers call them selves a club and lay claim to natural resources like the water in a lake do they?
calling your org transparent belies the word when one stops to read what you can here when all one asks is what the event cost?

michelle please review the bulk invective in response to the question of what these cost?
Please direct me to any comments here that actually enumerate any bottom line dollars? Maybe I missed those?

The Lake water eventually drains to public resources....you're point? What about Pines Lake, Highland Lake, Indian Lake?? You hate Packanack for some reason. Too bad for you. You are not a Lake Member, we are a private organization and you have no right to specific information - go ask Pines Lake their costs for something or go outside Wayne - go ask Indian or Erskine Lake - see what they tell you. You are a bully, a negative man and a I feel sorry for you. Every other poster here is relatively on the same page - you want to stir the pot - why? Think about it - search yourself as to why you want to potentially cause controversy - there is a problem here. While I agree that out township is not always run prudently, I am willing to be part of the process as a volunteer and not just complain and point fingers. I am done posting here. WE do know the truth and the truth is it was a great day for runners, the supported charities and for Packanack Lake Members.

Yes, Lt. Paul Dring is my brother. Yes I serve on the PLCA Board of Governors. Yes I am the President of the PLAA. I am also a member of PLCA group activities, Packanack Anglers, and Packanack BBQ club. I also volunteer as a coach at the Wayne PAL in various sports such as football, basketball.l, and baseball. In addition I coach a flag football team.
I grew up in Wayne and because I love it so, I decided along with my wife to raise my family here. We all think it is pretty darn swell.
I am truly sorry you were victimized a burgarly, those kind of things I would never wish on anyone.
For all of my volunteer efforts, I receive and expect no payment. I do not receive any special treatment as the police that work our events expect payment. Nothing wrong or secretive about it. We get a invoice and we pay it. No conspiracy at all.
I advised you to come out and enjoy the activities in Wayne, to which in your own right told me to mind my own business. That is fair and have no issue with it.
Wishing you nothing but the best. Take care.