Pam where oh where are you?

I agree with the article. Nothing for me to add.
It's called class.
No need to gloat.

But there really weren't any winners here.

The silence from your side, however, is deafening.

Yep! I guess the other side is mad justice took its course!

Dan,,,,please get rid of the statement of the above,,,,,,,It makes no sense and is offensive

But I thought all 9 were automatically guilty. And even if they were innocent they were guilty of playing Wayne hills football. ( o yeah and in the process we may have just drove one of the best coaches in Wayne away.) All because of envy and a rebel rouser public!!! Who wins? No one!!!! Who loses? Wayne, Wayne hills, Wayne hills football, everyone.

they only got a slap on the wrist. so lets put this to bed. the seven pled guilty to a lesser chage. and one did a ple deal. it's over and time to move on.

The article isn't about the guilty...it's about the innocent. It's about the wrongly accused minority that was subjected to the same embarrassment as the guilty. It's about the emotional state of a single individual and the shame that usually carries the connotation that he may spend the rest of his life in a state of socially unaccepted.
It's about the humiliation and derogatory comments that were made over the past several months in the addition to the loss of being able to play in a state championship game, which was his personal goal since he was in diapers.
I don't think anyone should disapprove of him sueing the township for 10-15 million as compensation. I know I wouldn't !!!
Go Wayne Hills

Your unwillingness to admit you and slot of other people were wrong amuses me # 1 you forgot 1 was found totally innocent 2, they didn't get a slap on the wrist the justice system prevailed when all the facts came out you and slot of other people had called those kids " thugs, bullies" and much much worse! All before the facts came out

Joe I could definitely understand why he would be upset. Playing football is a privledge. Instead of sueing the township maybe he should sue his guilty friends. All due respect had a fight never occured then it wouldn't have come to this. If Olsen suspended the kids himself it would have never come to this. As far as 10 to 15 million that's crazy. There are worse things in life then not playing in a state championship game.

Joe - I love the hyperbole..."he may spend the rest of his life in a state of socially unaccepted." It seems that the kid got a raw deal for sure. As for the others, it is clear that no one on this board has any experience with the court system. It's not that the prosecutor didn't have evidence to convict for the higher charge. More likely, the DEFENDANTS didn't like their chances at trial with the charges they were indicted with. So they agreed to plead to a lesser crime in exchange for a lighter sentence, i.e. probation. This is known in civil litigation as a settlement. That's all it is. Prosecutors have some pretty big fish to fry when it comes to this county, what with murder and mayhem in Paterson, prostitution rings and baby-killing in Wayne, and drugs all over the place. There is already no place in the jails we have and NJ has a lax criminal justice system, so the fact that these kids probably were first time offenders, had decent lawyers, and come from ostensibly "good" homes were mitigating factors in their favor of avoiding jail. What really bothers me about this whole thing is that no matter how wrong the WV kid was - and by all accounts he was a real trouble-maker who got what was coming - the fact that 8 kids would find it acceptable to put a beatdown on 2 others, especially once they were on the ground. The utter lack of morality and compassion from supposedly "good suburban kids" is frightening. Haven't heard anyone talk about that issue.

It's a good lesson for those of us with still young children. I will make it clear to my son as he grows up that if he ever participates in something like that, there's gonna be hell to pay at home. I didn't hear much about that angle of it either. Pam and Videodummy seem to know a lot about these kids - can you offer any insight into how they've been disciplined at home? It seemed like not at all the way everyone was clamoring to keep them on the field. My kid wouldn't have seen the outside of his room for a good long time, let alone an athletic field. You have to feel bad on some level for the Zaffino kid. It's a shame his name got mixed up in this if he wasn't there. But I also really question how his name was in this for so long if he really had nothing to do with it. Either one of his buddies said he was there or the WV kid fingered him as a participant. Either way, it's a tough spot for him to miss a game he loves, but a helluva life lesson. Contrary to Joe Videodummy's point, my guess he has stayed as popular as whatever he was before this happened and that he has not suffered social standing consequences. IF he really lost a scholarship, that's a crying shame, but my guess is that some of those schools would come back now after he has been vindicated if they were legitimately interested before. It will all work out for him. But it does demonstrate why we have a court system too many people shout "guilty" as soon as a story breaks.

Having said that, the court system has nothing to do with the privilege of playing football. The fact that these kids were caught up in this incident and acted so barbaric is reason enough to suspend them from doing something they love and value. It has nothing to do with their legal rights. JV, suing the town will be utterly useless. Not saying they won't try, but unless he can prove that holding him out of football cost him X dollars in scholarship money, there is nothing to be gained. His only other recourse might be against being falsely accused by whoever named him as a participant in this heinous crime, but he'd have to prove essentially defamation, which is hard enough to prove anytime, and impossible to prove if it happens in the course of a criminal investigation. There are plenty of scheister lawyers who may want to try to make some publicity and a few bucks to see if the town will cave, but based on publicly available facts, there is no legitimate lawsuit here. Even in Obama's America, some things just are what they are.

dont you love the outrage over this 1 player being unjustly accused? Oh my! Nobody has ever been unjustly accused before. Many people spend time in jail while waiting for their day in court and end up being found innocent. Am i missing something here? I love the outrage over this but no outrage from pam or stillintown that 8 wayne hills football players have pleaded guilty to a savage beating and at least 1 of them kicked the defenseless victim while he was down. they save all the outrage for the poor boy who missed 1 football game. how convenient. is this really considered a victory for the Olsenites? they sure seem to feel vindicated

WayneinWayne: Pam has class indeed. to bad its ALL low

Kit - so what did go on? All we've heard is that the newspapers got it all wrong and everyone is wrong...can't you, Pam Roz or Videodummy set us straight? What did go on? The story I've gleaned just from this board (I don't know anyone who knows anything about this) WV kid goes to party uninvited/unwanted. Starts causing trouble, challenges people to a fight with his karate skills, may or may not have hit or hurt someone at the party. I deduced from there that they are either forced out, leave on their own or due to tthe threat of reinforcements. They walk down the street. They engage with the Gang of 9, who are in two or more cars on their way up Urban Club Road. Seems hard to believe 2 kids walking would want to start with 9 guys in cars but probably some verbal sparring that escalated. 9 kids get out of car. Someone attacks someone. 2 kids wind up on ground getting stomped and semi-conscious.

Obviously, there are details missing but it seems pretty straightforward. What a lot of people want to know is:

1) How did it come to be that 8 kids took on 2?
2) How did it escalate to the point that the kid was semi-conscious and getting stomped? Or was he even stomped at all? According to Principal Reis, the kid was in pretty bad shape even weeks after the altercation, so SOMETHING bad went down.

I'd just like to be set straight since most of us don't know any of the "facts" according to a few people here. How did it go down from start to finish?

i think none of the Wayne Hills football players were even involved at all. In the small chance that they were involved it was because they were rescuing the 2 WV hooligans from a runaway SUV and had to tackle them to save their lives. I hear the WV kids are very grateful as are the families and all 8 wayne hills kids are getting medals of honor and bravery. they plead guilty only to make the prosecutors job easier because that is what they are all about. And Coach Olsen is very proud of their heroism and even made a few of them captains for 2012. (TRUE)

Waynesworld I know it is hard to believe but the reports you read and heard on tv were grossly inaccurate.....I don't need to set the record straight ,,,,,you would likely not believe it anyway,,,,,, everyone needs to move on,,,

@Kit I don't have a dog in this race...try me, I would be willing to believe anything plausible. At this point, I've been bored with the rhetoric of this story for quite some time. It just seems so convenient a cop-out to say "you don't know the facts" and then none of the "rea" facts ever come out. My version was deduced from posting here as well as media reports. I have been quoted in the media in my business on several occasions and always find fault with how something was presented vs. how I intended it. So I get that and I believe the media reports are either inaccurate or at least incomplete. Why doesn't anyone defending those boys just say what they think really happened? It's clear something bad happened else it wouldn't have gone this far and resulted in criminal liability, but that doesn't mean the circumstances were as extreme as it seems. Tell me at least this - was it really 8 vs. 2 at one point? Or did they take this kid on one by one until the last one knocked him out - a "fair" fight as it were? How did it go down? that seems like a simple thing to answer from someone who knows.

Okay to be honest even if he wasn't there they still needed to an investigation because his name came up.All due respect to this kid he wouldn't have tried to stop it. Kit how would you have handled the situation? I mean think about this. You're angry because this kid was punished for nothing? What judge decided the punishment for the two boys? What Judge said that the penalty for these boys is going to be 8 on 2 being stomped on and being beaten to nearly uncosciousness? People are so worried about the accused having their rights but you're forgetting the victims have rights too. To be honest the kid isn't going to get any money if he sues because teachers and school boards have immunityI have lived in Jersey for years and have neevr heard a court case like this so the jduge might say that the kid is right but he won't get any money because there has never been a case like this to base it on so the Superintendent or school board has immunity.. They had the backing of the Governor and the Commissioner of Education. It's over it is time to move on.

Carly - why can't anyone here just print their version of the story? Is that so hard? Why all these nonsensical fragments? Your story is like a run-on sentence. Clearly people say there is another side to the story. Why can't we just get a coherent recount of what happened?

carly is full of bs. many many witnesses were interviewed. she is in fantasyland. i guess its just a big conspiracy right? we have been hearing for months that we will all soon hear the real story. now months later 8 have pleaded guilty of a bit more then just being wayne hills football players, thats right...the Wayne PD, the Passaic County prosecutors office , DA, asst DA, Passaic County Sherrifs, and the Wayne BOE all collaborated on a big conspiracy and hold a grudge against a football team. boo hoo cry me a river

Like I said earlier, this article has nothing to do with the guilty. How can dozens of witnesses, a police investigation, and written and oral testimony not immediately clear this player of any wrong doing ?
There isn't a single eye witness account that points to 9 students beating up 2 students, but several eye witness accounts stated smaller fights took place.
On the legal side of the story, the only "adult" pleaded guity to simple assault. That's the equivalent to someone knocking the purse out of a womans hand at a bus stop. The remaining 7 pleaded guilty to what ? The charges and the case are sealed and protected by their juvenile status, so they could very well have pleaded guilty to a loud noise violation.
What is left is one innocent football player that was accused of being part of something that dozens of witnesses swear they saw. A lone student that never got the chance to do the single most important thing that he practiced and dreamed of for most of his life. The one thing that he earned the Priviledge to do, and that was to compete for a state championship title as a senior.
It may sound frivilous to those that don't compete for such things, but it's compares to losing something that's loved more than anything else, like a friend or a loved one. For a 17 year old boy, this equals those types of things. It's not something that can ever be replaced.

Omg. Joe is a drama queen. There are millions of people that are less fortunate then a kid not being allowed to play in a football game. There are millions of kids that would trade places with this kid in less then a heartbeat. Talk about having your priorities screwed up. Makes it easy to understand why the kids are so screwed up if Joe is actually a parent

JOE - Go back and read the article. The 7 GuIlTY pleaded down to simple assault, which is not nearly equivalent to a noise violation. If they were adults and did not plead down like MOnaghan they would have all been facing jailtime if convicted. Monaghan was not willing to take that risk

Joe let me ask you something are you angry with just this kid not playing or for all of them not playing? The fact is the kids did plead guilty to something, so obviously something did happen. But the fact is that is how life is. Life sometimes isn't fair. The board of education didn't take it away from him his OWN friends did. To be honest what pissed me off is that Olsen came out and got INVOLVED. He wouldn't leave it to the school board and the police. He had to go and open his mouth. I mean I don't think anybody can deny that Olsen has screwed up a lot in his days at Wayne. Joe let's remember one thing, at the end of the day it was a football game.

Not to mention weren't all the kids in the case to the commissioner represented by one lawyer? If that is the case either all of them were going to play or none of them were going to play. You cannot honestly tell me all 9 deserved to play.I mean what if the very next week 9 Wayne valley soccer players beat up and knocked unconscious 2 wayne Hills kids and they did it because they new they would still get to play in the big game. I mean you do it for one you do it for both right?

Again...Your dwelling on the guilty. The article is about the innocent. Do you defend the non-participants or bundle them together but call them "unfortunate" ?
Have we finally reached the pinnacle where we can say guilt by association is reason enough.
If your a student in college or high-school does that in itself make you a drug user because drugs are available in your school ? How about if your at a party ? On a shorter rope, how about if they are on a person your with on the bus, or in the same car as you ?
In Troy Zaffino's case, he wasn't at the fight but was subjected to the same penalties as those who were.

No he wasn't he didn't get probation. Like I said earlier when the case was appealed to the commissioner I'm almost positive they were all represented by the same lawyer. For all you know the commssioner may have realized that he was innocent but realized all the others were in fact guilty. If anything if he new that some of his teammates were guilty he should have appealed it on his own.

JOE - what country do you originate from? In the USA people sometimes get arrested/detained and then they prove their innocence. Sometimes they sit in jail for months. Why is this such a foreign concept for you and why do you think your boy deserves faster adjudication then the average person? He missed a football game. Cry me a river. Some people suffer even worse while waiting for their day to be heard. OMG enough already. lesson learned, move on . unless you are saying that his life is over and there is no way to recover from missing a football game. Somehow he miised many football games because of injury and lived another day. Many players dont ever get the chance to play for a championship but somehow their lives go on. yes it sucks that he was lumped with the GUILTY 8. It happens. Maybe he will be a better person because of all this.

Not saying the kids are totally innocent but the thing they are most guilty of is playing Wayne hills football. I have no.doubt that the renal rousing public destroyed these kids chances of achieving their full potential as far as college offers and enjoyin

The chance to play in a state game! What are the charges against the Wayne valley kids I have no doubt that the media and the public overreacted, that was what screwed these kids more then anything.

if your false god Olsen did his job none of this would have ever exploded. do you include your false god when placing blame? or is he once again not responsible and not held accountable? because your honest answer to that determines if you have a reasonable bone in your body. Olsen is not a good role model. He had a chance to teach a life lesson and he failed all because of a football game. The same day he bullied the BOE and got his players a repreive 2 of them once again shunned authority and blew an airhorn in someone's face. cant blame them. they were taught that since they are football players the rules dont apply and their coach is the ultimate authority figure. If you dont see that connection then there is no hope. Since their parents and their coach couldnt teach them accuntability maybe the renal rousing public did them a favor for their long term success.

still in town 78

Sadly, your post is the cold hard fact. The arrest's in this case were handed down in order to give a balance to the facts behind what and who started it, not because of how it ended. It was the only way to put out the fire before the keg exploded.
History repeat's itself. The last one out the door can turn off the lights...but leave the candle burning !!!

WayneinWayne is absolutely right. Guilty of playing football at Wayne Hills? Are you serious? He could have suspended them himself nobody would have questioned him. Where was the Athletic director? Oh I forgot the coach is the A.D. I bet if somebody other then Olsen had been coach or Athletic Director none of this would have happened. Hell he's probly the one who taught them how to fight. The man attacked his own assistant coach. That is anything but a good role model. Fact is I don't consider missing a football game a punishment like to think of it more as a message.. I'm still waiting for the so called "truth". As far as these kids being guilty of being Wayne Hills football players it would have been the same thing the other way around. Fact is 8 out of 9 were guilty. Life goes on for the one who wasn't.

so today i open the WayneToday newspaper and read that Zaffino might miss a sizable portion of the baseball season. So over 3 months after the football season ends he is still rehabbing his knee. Explain what football scholarships were lost by not playing in that 1 game when it seems he was not physically able to play anyway or if he did play he would not have nearly been 100%. seems 10-15 million might be a stretch and even $1 might be a stretch.

I think he meant 1 dollar lol. No the suite isn't worth anything it is a waste of money on his behalf. The judge wouldn't give him anything because there was no way to prove that he would have gotten x amount of money. The only amount of money he'd get is the cost of the scholarship which might be 25 thousand and if you take into consideration the lawyer fees it's a terrible idea. Scouts do not look at 1 game. Also do you realize had they sat out one of the other two games maybe the could have played in the championship game?

yes i meant a single dollar. again, if he is so hurt 3 months later that he cant participate in the baseball season what kind of a performance, if any at all, would he have given in that 1 game that would have been scholarship worthy. the whole thing has become a bad joke. i would hate for any of this to have happened to my children but i hope that i would have handled it differently then the w hills parents. more bad things will happen in life to all these kids. thats a fact. life is not always perfect. this whole episode would have been a tremendous opportunity for the adult role models to act properly amd teach a few hard life lessons and not make the kids think that hs football is the end game.

Again, I wish you guys could comprehend what you are reading...

The player had scholarship offer(s) already. Had there not been a penalty improperly imposed by the board, he would have played in the championship game and the (false) allegations against him would not have been publicized. He and the 7 other minors would not have had their identities revealed.

The Board, by suspending these kids from the championship game, knew that by doing so, they would be publicly identiifying each child and thus violating each child's right to privacy. A pretty significant issue, in my opinion.

The college(s) knew of Troy's injury and he played the latter part of the season at less than full strength. This single game was not the deciding factor in whether he would have been offered a scholarship.

The scholarship offer(s), however, were taken off the table when the college(s) learned of the aggravated assault charges against him, which have proven to be false. and this was the direct result of being suspended by the Board. That, I believe, is the legal basis of any pending lawsuit.

Then sue for God's sake and just let it go!

If anyone is to believe anything in this entire ordeal, its the simple fact that defendants, plaintiffs, police, administrators and boe have stretched the truth beyond all respectable limits. If the young man had a scholarship offer and it can be proven that offer was binding (letter of intent date was the beginning of november long before this event) and the charges (which were later dropped meaning he has not guilt and if the offer was binding, it should be reinstated) and not the injury he is still recovering from are the reason, then sue! Who is to say he would have passed his physical if he is still suffering the after effects of the injury? Who is to say the OFFERS were going to be extended as actual scholarships? Really, who knows?

Sue em Troy, get whatever you think you can get. If you were indeed injured by the actions of the police, administrators and board of education, SUE THEM!!!!!

Then, let the BOE and its administration act like adults and move forward and educate these kids, give them a decent athletic experience, and terminate anyone and everyone that doesn't abide by the latest code of conduct that replaced the previous code of conduct no one followed or enforced.

Its time to move on, move forward and grow up! If all of this was worth the damage done, I hope everyone, from the players, to coaches to the superintendant are satisfied. Babies one and all! I really don't know who is worse!

i would like to hear from one college recruiter regarding the "fact " ( it seems to be a loose term) that scholarship offers were dropped because he was accused (NOT CONVICTED) of a crime. What planet are you people on? It doesnt work like that. he battle cry has now changed because earlier it was "how could you deny these kids the opportunity to play is this singly important football game. They cannot miss it because their lives will be forever altered" . So if zaffino had been allowed to play even with the charges the schools still would not have looked at him because of the impending charges? then missing the game is a moot point isnt it?

I hope everyone, on either side of this debacle has enough sense to realize the BOE has no ones interest at heart except their own. They need to be reminded who they are representing.

From the "no statement," to the "Roberts Rules," to the PR firm they are hiding behind, adios muchachos! As taxpayers in this township, we are responsible for putting in place the stewards of our children and to be quite honest with you, whether they were right or wrong, this was a disaster from the beginning when the interim super made a decision, then flip flopped, and then left town, laughing all the way to the bank.

Too much power, too much ego, too much fantasy. This town, its coaches, educators, administrators should be ashamed! The education builds (minus the hooligans in the pep rally) the athletics enhance, and the human example adults provide should temper the young men and women that graduate from Wayne schools. Can anyone look back on this and say there was any measure of success? Sadly no, and while the trophy was a worthy accomplishment, as adults we should see our failings in the eyes of our children and demand more.

There has to be more.

Pam you have to be kidding. Kids who committ crimes should not be playing in championship games and people do have the right to know if there safety might be in jeopardy. Whose to say those 9 boys wouldn't gang up on somebody in the school or somebody on the other team? So then once again the victims also have a legal issue to then because aren't they minors too? Wouldn't black eye or a what looks like a serious injruy point that out? Not to mention the only person I heard say all these kids were football players was Olsen. Sorry Pam but the school had reasonable grounds just as the other coach to the other teams had reasonable suspicion by that allowing the kids to play they could be in danger. Fact is you didn't know whether or not they were going to team up on another kid. I doubt Olsen would stop them he has a history of assaulting his coaches and braking the rules himself.

Sour Grapes, OUT WITH THE TIDE. Get over it.

Olsen has handled this episode perfectly as everythimg else he is involved in. Okay Pam are you satisfied now. We get it. He is your god. How will this town survive?

I see waste of time responses, but no answers to the question posed. I guess you guys can't come up with anything intelligent, but that doesn't surprise me.

The first seems like a relatively simple question.
The second one was more rhetorical. Oops, multi-syllable words again...sorry!

pam roz,

in the future do you think the Boe should ignore whatever the police say and just let kids continue to engage in extra curriculars until their day in court? what if there is not a police matter but a problem in school like cutting class? will there be a courtroom setup in the high schools so every kid can have their day? what is your solution? should just football players get the benefit of the doubt? what do you say to the many many athletes that have been suspended by olsen so far as the AD that have not had their day in court?

Pam that's because the kids have a right to an education not the right to play football. They are guaranteed by the constitution to get an education but the constitution does not give them the automatic right to play football. Now Pam let me ask you something. I have a friend who graduated with Christian Olsen. My friend was not invited to the highschool scrimagge that Olsen's son was allowed to participate in at 11 years old. Does it give my friend the right to sue because had Olsen let all 11 year olds in the town participate he may have become great football player? As far as doing the job of his superiors he's in an authority position so that is one of his jobs. Not to mention he likes to do the board's job anyway rember he hires coaches without the boards position?

Really, Gordon??? Show me exactly where in the constitution that kids have the right to an education.

Just because you write something, doesn't make it accurate or factual.

And your analogy is so off the wall, I simply can't respond to jibberish.

And eyes...you don't need to throw in your useless 2 cents. I realize you appointed yourself as the moderator of this topic, but unless you can provide something constructive, please do everyone a favor and don't bother. In other words, don't bother.

pam ...i would really like to get your take on things and how this should have been handled because you obviously have a better method.

pam roz,

in the future do you think the Boe should ignore whatever the police say and just let kids continue to engage in extra curriculars until their day in court? what if there is not a police matter but a problem in school like cutting class? will there be a courtroom setup in the high schools so every kid can have their day? what is your solution? should just football players get the benefit of the doubt? what do you say to the many many athletes that have been suspended by olsen so far as the AD that have not had their day in court?

Pam the new Jersey constitution says every child is entitled to a thorough and efficient from they are 5 to 21. As far as that goes I am aware of athletes that got suspended for stuff outside of school at Wayne and other towns. hem playing a sport isn't a right it's a priivledge. They need to follow the rules. I believe the way they were punished was fair and I also believe that was taken into consideration during their plea deals. As far as my stuff being jibberish? You praise Olsen however the man has his faults. You say that missing this game may have ruined there opportunity so I'm going to use the whole Olsen let his son participate scrimmage analogy. How do I know somebody else's life on this planet was ruined because Olsen didn't give them the chance to participate in that scrimmage but instead gave it to his son? Now Pam do you atleast admit that Olsen was wrong in that situation?

Yes I am fully aware of Olsen suspending athletes ( non football of course) . So you think if a kid is involved in a police matter, which in my opinion is much moreserious then any school matter..... The school and boe should just ignore that fact? I would not feel very good about the boe if they allowed a kid allegedly involved with the police to just carry on . That is not how the real world operates at any level. If a kid is accused of rape or assault the school board should just ignore that? Talk about liability issues!! There is no common sense in that . You are saying the principal has more powers then the entire school board and the police. How long should wewait for a verdict? Sometimes these things take 2 years to sort out. The should just go through his life like nothing ever happened? And then what if he is convicted or pleads? Too late for punishment since his sport might be over and maybe he has graduated . Many people have their lives changed while waiting for theirday in court and then are found not guilty. Why should it be different for waynenhills football players.

I don't know about you guys. It's impossible to reason with you.

Gordon: You must have dug deep to find that one, assuming it's accurate. When someone refers to "The Constitution", it is generally the US Constitution. And by none of the your cohort haters chipping in, it appears no one was able to find a reference to a right to an education in the US Constitution, So keep typing things that you think are facts. Facts are facts. I just love the reference in an earlier topic by one of the haters (was it you?) that "I know as much of the facts as I need to know."

Again, your analogy is jibberish. It's like saying because a person wasn't born in the USA, he/she should win a lawsuit against the government because he/she is not allowed to be president (and I'll clarify) of the USA.

Wayne: If a student is accused of rape or assault, what you are saying is that the BOE should step in and suspend him/her from extracurricular activities, but ALLOW him/her to ATTEND SCHOOL??? Nice sense of values you have!!!

You didn't provide any specifics for suspension exclusively from sports by Olsen or any WAYNE AD for a non-school related activity. I am not saying it's not possible, but so far I haven't heard of any.

BTW: Exclusively is a multi-syllable word so whatever athletic suspension you come up with means there were not any other education/school/extracurricular related implications.

Why in the world would I give you names of minors while you hide behind a false name? Yes, children are granted the right to an education by individual states and that is why it is illegal to not have your child in an educational system . You seem to want greater rights for your football players then any other citizen. Extra curricular activities are a privilege and not a right. Don't you understand that? Any other coach would have suspended their players for violating team rules for any involvement in an altercation like what took place that night. Olsen claims to be a discipline guy and when he had the chance to show that with his own players he FAiLED. Sorry but your false god is a fAILURE

I'm not asking for names. Are you unable to describe something using the third person?

FACT: Olsen was not permitted to bench the players, as he was following orders from the acting superintendent, who advised that the boys were required by law to play.

Why is that so difficult to comprehend?

Please answer this question...do you believe that a student accused of rape or assault should be suspended ONLY from extracurricular activities and not from school?

You sound like a real frustrated former athlete or wannabe. I'll bet Olsen disciplined you or cut you from a team (possibly football - where there are no cuts?) Is that accurate?

False name, huh??? Pot calling kettle black.

Pam like I said earlier because if they get suspended from school and turn out to be innocent then they really would have a legitimate lawsuit because they had a right taken away from them. As far as what I'm saying is being jiberish.How can you compare them. It's against the rules for somebody born outside the united states however if we changed the rules we wouldn't change it for just one person unless congress amended the constitution.Like I said if Olsen was going to let his 11 year old participate he should have let every 11 year old do it. Also the way he went and carried on saying his boys weren't guilty of anything was not somebody who was going to bench his players. The athletic director shouldn't even be questioning his boss's decision.

Required by law to play? That cannot be funnier and quite an interpretation. And not true at all. Why was Olsen so keen to listen when he agreed and it benefitted him but when the tables turned he became insubordinate and openly questioned and tried to bully the board? You can't have it both ways. Nobody ever told him he had to play them as demanded by law . And also since when does Olsen care about rules and laws ? What a conveniently stupid argument you make

That's funny Pam because in an interview less then 1 year ago Olsen still defended letting his 11 year old son play. Should I send you the link to the interview. Your false god can do no wrong? Accused of a crime and convicted of a crime are very different . So u guess your stance is that the guilty 8 should also have been removed from school for 5 months while waiting for their plea deal for assault charges? Pam you are talking yourself up a slippery slope and are too dumb to realize it.

okay pam...keep praying to the football gods and their savior . You are a complete embarrassment to all of the normal Wayne hills football parents. By the way, the few i spoke to wish you would just go away as you do not represent them in a good light.

Eight of the nine have worked out their deals with the authorities and one was cleared. What else is there to say. If Troy Zaffino feels he has an action against the BOE, that's his perogative! Olsen is cornered into making a decision, I think by June 30th and this whole mess is over thankfully. Right, wrong or indifferent, IT'S OVER! .......PAM ROZ, go onto YOUTUBE and listen to Roy Orbison's version of "It's Over", which by the way is a great song, sung by a great artist. Maybe, you'll come to the realization that IT'S OVER!

you are right pam roz - i do have a comprehension problem. i cannot comprehend how any adult has your twisted outlook on all the events that have transpired and how they should have been handled? i cant comprehend how any human can put another on such a pedestal that you canot admit any mistakes, any accountability, and any responsibility for anything. I cannot comprehend why you think w hills football players should get special treatment and not held accountable? i cannot comprehend why you bow to false idols? i cannot comprehend that you are an adult and a parent and that your last name does not begin with an O. I cannot comprehend why if you are such an over-the-top blind supporter and leader of the Olsenites why you dont proudly divulge your name?

Pam Olsen doesn't think ehe did anything wrong. He never thinks he does anything wrong. You need to realize you made a mistake in order to learn from them. Also unless the judge says otherwise the school won't be able to tell an accused rapist they can't be there because kids are required to get an education. For teachers they can put them on paid leave until everything gets straightened out. NOBODY DESERVES SPECIAL TREATMENT.

heres a quote from the nj.com article from late last year regarding having his 11 year old son playing with the HS team. Does he sound apologetic and contrite? NOT 1 BIT.

“I truly, truly don’t believe it was a big deal,” he said of letting his son participate in the August scrimmage. “That field is my workplace, and I didn’t do anything different than any other father doesn’t do with his kid.”

( I wonder if an ironworker, a coal-miner, a fireman, a police officer etc...could bring their son to work for the day and explain it away like this )

here is a link with all the video interviews.

http://www.nj.com/hssports/blog/football/index.ssf/2011/12/wayne_hills_coach_chris_olsen_draws_ire_from_critics_but_praise_from_ex-players_colleagues.html