Yeah, they're so bad that they made it to the States two years in a row.

deana,
never was against them.just didnt like the way they are handling everything.
nothing wrong with a congrats to the kids that played...but was just shocked at how horriable old tappan is.

Thanks for the nice comments at first but you kind of ruined it by calling the accused kids criminals. Seriously, if you really knew what went on that night you might change your tune. At the very least, could you please stop judging people.

@Phyllis Rec: Perhaps "criminals" is not exactly correct. But may I pose the question; "What do you call those who beat the two WV kids to such a degree that they required hospitalization?" You refer to "what really went on that night". Were the two WV kids beaten? Did they sustain injuries? Did they require medical attention? Being judgmental is one thing. Being "in denial" is another ... Name that tune.

listen you effin' d-bag!! what gives you the right to talk shittt about these kids and their parents?? the formerindian...what?? waterboy?? first of all, you're right...the kids AND coaches work very hard all year round, and the parents are very dedicated. That's why it's 'a winning program' and keep flapping your toothless gums and you'll make it 20 million!!

Sally - please stop. You are embarrassing yourself and your kid.

deana,
ive seen old tappan play 3 times this year.they started season 0-3 trust me when i tell u,they stink.. i strongly feel mr everything coach olsen should show how good his team is and start playing better schedule..playing 1 solid team a year in st joes and getting your butt kicked means one thing to me..teams arent that great hills is a tier 2 school playing a tier 3 and 4 schools.start branching out and playing better teams in there section group or out of state games..how long are u going to beat up on the wayne valley, ramapo,old tappans..etc..??????

jon krese,
thats where u are wrong,u have a few flex games in your schedule that u can go out and get tuffer teams to play..scheduling isnt like it use to be.numerous schools have done it this year.hawthorne ,lodi ,union city, west essex.{many others} and the regular ones don bosco ,bergen catholic and st joes... so if he thinks his team or all these people think he does a great job,start getting with the times and branching out..show how great your coaching and team is.instead of playing games against teams that have 1 good guy on it,they should play teams that have 11 on each side of the ball... to me sure its greta to win ,but id rather play dominate teams week after week .

@john "how many state titles?....." my understanding is that there isn't a state championship for football in NJ. There are regional group championships that cover a few counties each

I thought being a good coach meant winning, AND showing guidance and being a good role-model. Only winning. OK.
:(

You're stupid. Why would public schools ever play non-public schools. There should be a tournament of champions, but the public should play the public schools and non-public the non-public

For your information Alex, Don Bosco does play public schools and its something that has been an argument for football teams in NJ for years.

S, I meant why would these teams ever play each other in a tournament of champions format. It's unfair for public schools, which can't recruit, to play parochial schools, which can recruit, to play each other, because 9 times out of 10, the parochial school will win. Tell me, S, how many times a playoff-qualifying public school beat a playoff-qualifying parochial school this season? I'd imagine the number is somewhere close to 0

DJ, Are you suggesting that it's a fair contest to pit public school districts whose rosters are limited to only those players who reside within the district against parochial schools that have the ability to build a roster comprised of the very best players from just about anywhere? Doesn't seem like a level playing field to me....

Which John are you talking about? Not me.....

They won Section 1, Group 3, North Jersey title. Not a state title. Congrats to Matawan and Neptune for winning their title yesterday!!!!

s, ummmmm duh...no kidding, really?
In the State of New Jersey thats the way the State Playoff and Championship game system works... Those that are celebrating the WHHS Section 1 Group 3 State Sectional Championship know full well what was won and are exceptionally proud of the accomplishment! So swallow your sour grapes and stop with your desperate, pitiful arguments over semantics... These boys and their coach accomplished something great through hard work, discipline, sacrifice, and commitment to excellence. Even in this day and age of political correctness, I would hope that these are still values we can celebrate in our society!

@John For once somebody (you) calls it what it is - a state SECTIONAL championship. It is the highest achievement that a football team can accomplish in NJ, and for the logistical reasons cited before, not practical to extend playoffs, unless they completely changed schedules. I would not be in favour of that - there's too many other sports and activities that our youth would be better off being exposed to.

In Indiana, EVERY school, regardless of record enters the playoffs! But the regular season starts in August and ends in the middle of October. And they still have 4 or 5 division (based on size of schools), but you can play up in size, if you want, and if there is room in the bracket. (and that is determined only every couple of years).

Not true fills...the non-public championships are statewide...not sectional.

@dude - i stand corrected about NJ parachoial schools championships, but thats a universe of its own

I can't give a hoot about the petty politics in Wayne township or about its coaches. I am interested in public school governance in general in NJ and several other states and comment frequently on broader subjects, and this episode raised issues interesting to me and for which I might have added some distant, but sometimes opinionated perspective on your local issue.

The WH Band has come a long way. I've known Matt Paterno for almost 20 years- that man has done great things for that program. :)

He means they were cheering at the game for OT. Nice...

"They need correction and guidence."
That is the COACH'S job. why do you think everyone is upset? We still have a coach and BOE in place who don't care about correction and guidance for our kids!

Don't wonder...they did fumble and we went 90 yards for a TOUCHDOWN,,,,,,,,,what a great drive! GET OVER IT HILLS WON. These kids deserved to win playing against a 1 Man Team Superstar (Devin Fuller). This kid is amazing. He was everywhere including man on man coverage on the winning Touchdown.....that made this victory specially sweet.

I guess the same thing would have happened, OT would have won! LMFAO

s, you are a desperate, jealous little man.

Not a man, not jealous. My team won their title as well. HeHe

Well s, Not sure what team is yours, but congratulations on your teams win as well then! 
In most situations in life, you make your own luck through hard work, determination and perseverance. The student athletes of the WHHS football team had the will to prepare for winning! This ideal is perhaps to some extent innate, but is also perhaps, instilled and fostered in this group of young men by their head coach and his coaching staff. Hats off to the WHHS football team and Coach Olsen for bringing home yet another State Sectional title!

Anne ,
I realize it is difficult, if not impossible to separate your emotional reaction to this issue when you are the parent, or relative of one of the nine arrested for a felony. I probably would have a hard time being objective as well. Which is why I find it necessary to point out that you are coming off as hostile and beligerent in your name-calling and general insulting tone. This is the attitude I believe the lawyer spoke of when he used the term 'mob mentality.' You are not helping the Hills players.

Dearest Dory...please check yourself. I guess I will have to re-post my last comment:

@Dory: Now, now Dory…you know what they say about people living in glass homes…
Here are some of your past posts:
“…oooooh ok i see where you all got confused. (*sarcasm*)”…SEE YOU USE SARCASM.
“…you are just now catching on to still in town 78? unemployed, never married, no kids and lives in his mother's basement. he doesn't leave his computer.” and “as for who he really is i can offer a brief forensic psychological profile based on the limited info here: I would say someone with a low sense of esteem and importance, resentful of his underacheivements, living in other's shadows, slightly grandiose but blames his lack of success on some sort of victimization preventing him from reaching higher goals, and obsessed with this topic as evidenced by his apparent need to appoint himself the important role of defending the kids in a way that suggests he thinks only he can do, and perhaps Coach Olsen who he may be looking for approval from. Single or divorced white male, no children, late 40's to mid 50s. …SEE YOU USE INSULTS.
“…which leads me to add this; your relationship with your own father is poor in some capacity.”…SEE YOU USE SHAME.
Now Dory please do not be the pot calling the kettle black. We have more than enough hypocrites on this site.

@Anne....
yes, i did allow myself that one a week or two ago. still in town 78 was behaving very badly. i am a forensic psychologist by trade and i just couldn't help myself. i have since decided joining people like yourself who chose to behave beligerently and with a wolf pack mentality is not my style. posts like yours (using name-calling, insults and a general tone of hostility and harassing manner) inspired me to stop going back at still in town 78. (which was more out of amusement, he didn't sound all that insulted btw.)

I still maintain that Hlls is a great school with heart. and i am pleased that the team won the title sans the nine arrested. And that Olsen needs to go after his [ongoing] display of poor sporstmanship and role-modeling for our kids.

I have to say that there were many valley people sitting in the hills section. Obvs these are people who are open minded and above all this crap. Good luck to valley and hills in any and all sports! For all u selfrighteous haters, head down to Eva's kitchen, roll up your sleeves, shut your mouths and do something useful with your time.

Good point John. He made no distinction whatsoever!

Such a silly and sour post.

Wayne ppl sat on the other side...really? Yes, that is too bad. I suppose ppl have the right to express themselves. But If it is true, a kids' game is not the place for making a statement like that, in my opinion.

agree, with the possible exception of a school like Philipsburg, which geographically fits in well with Lehigh Valley, PA, since travel expenses would be less for them and they have their tradition thanksgiving game with Easton, PA (oldest or most played in the US, methinks). But any other HS searching for competition is just garbage

Yes it is a chess game of sorts. However, no matter how good of a coach you are, you cannot give kids talent to play football. You either have it in you or you don't. It is obvious that the boys who played last night have the talent.

Mommy issues.

@John M.

Obviously you are classless jerk with the mental capacity of a flea. It seems your views are indicative of the minions of mindless "followers" who's sole purpose in life is to disrespect anyone who actually may disagree with the football "culture" you so adamantly defend. Maybe you should look in the mirror and do some soul searching.

football is no more a physical chess game than chess is a mental football game. checkmate!

Yes, agreed!

And let me say the boys played hard and won. I like that, especially after what they have been through. I do worry that their perception of morality (and character!) has been compromised though. Good football players without good family values are worthless in the long run as far as I am concerned. Much bigger loss.

btw....Boardwalk Empire tonight!

Dory,

Should be another awesome episode! I agree with you about the boys I hope each of them can keep all of it in perspective.

Wrong. too many fans witnessed this. Not that it matter's who a person roots for. Most of Wayne Valley and Depaul sat on Old Tappan's side anyway. Sorry, but they were WV cheerleaders. They weren't on the field, they were in the stands on the tier above the seats of some WH fans. I don't know what section, but it was even with the 25 yard line.

@Wayne Parent
STANDING OVATION!!! Now you should run for mayor!

Exactly. This coach is a disgrace.

#80 caught a bunch of passes this year, a bunch for TD's. What makes you say he was never on the field this year?

Wayne parent....just wondering where you get your information from...Are you the parent of a Wayne Hills Football player? Do you have any idea what you're talking about? Did you play for Coach Olsen? Is that how you know he teaches by intimidation, humiliation and bullying? You hide behind your anonymity and spew disparaging commentary about a man who has been passionately dedicated to instilling a winning spirit in the many student athletes who have been fortunate enough to call him coach over the last 25 years at Wayne Hills. In this day and age of celebrating mediocrity and political correctness run amuck, perhaps it has now become unpopular to be a winner. Perhaps simply by virtue of his consistent record of success, Coach Olsen upsets those that don't possess the will or the fortitude or the talent to win. The lessons of hard work, dedication, perseverance, loyalty and commitment to excellence that Coach Olsen has instilled in his players will serve those young men well in life. You cannot on the one hand congratulate and praise the young men of the Wayne Hills Football program for their wonderful success and on the other hand disparage the man and the program that lead them to that success. Winning is NOT a dirty word. The student athletes of the Wayne Hills Football program and Coach Olsen and his staff should be proud of and commended for their great achievement.

Coudn't have said it any better

@Dory: The only disgraces here are your irrelevant comments! Enough already!! Ok, ok we get it...Olsen cut your kid...you've been bitter ever since. We got it!!! You are a fraud who talks out of both sides of your mouth. SHUT UP!

P.S. You should find some type of HBO message board to take your tv related comments to...no one cares about how you spend your life watching television.

Ditto that!

I don't have to wonder. The two teams Hills played prior to OT weren't nearly as good as OT. In fact, teams like this year's Vernon team shouldn't even be in the playoffs.

If the state ever decides to go to a playoff system that crowns a single state champion in each group, lesser teams won't be competing for it as they will cut down the number of teams making the playoffs - a good thing.

And, btw, Hills will win that too!

A win is a win, especially in the post season sectional championships. If Coach Olsen could have run up the score, he probably would have. However, with the team he was able to field, he beat them by three. Not too shabby. I've been adversarial towards Olsen and the 9, during this fiasco. However, you can't deny these kids who did a great job. They were behind 12-0 at the half and came back to overcome the deficit as well as holding them scoreless in the second half. That's character, tremendous passion to win, and true grit.

Olsen didn't make it a circus. The gutless wonders of the Wayne Board of Education made it a circus. Rather than uphold the possibly innocent students' rights to due process, they flip flopped back and forth as they tried to gauge public sentiment on this issue, ultimately sticking with the decision they found most politically expedient. Without all the facts, these politically-weak-willed hacks caved to the pressure of the mob mentality of their uninformed electorate rather than upholding the rights of accused students. They should all get thrown out of office... next election they will!

Every-one is innocent. Some are just a little more "guilty" of it. My mind is made up
WAYNE HILLS ROCKS.

All you ever do is comment on these articles and run your mouth. Don't you have anything else better to do?

Hey Taylor, Olsen is such a great resource for news stories. Take for example this literary gem as reported by D'Alessandro of the Newark Star Ledger. Mr.Olsen sent by e-mail to Mark Salviano, the Wayne Valley parent who was the only one who stood up to him at the Nov. 17 board meeting and asked about the coach’s callous need to put football ahead of discipline and hospitalized kids?
Mr. Olsen wrote:
"You are a coward in every sense of the word it is easy to run your mouth when u don’t know the facts it Email has made it easy for spineless people like you to attack and slander people I would love to speak with you face to face and review the facts"

So the AD and Coach of Wayne Hills HS sends out what can be construed by its tone, as being a veil threat with his "face to face" remark. I wonder what the BOE is doing with this one. I also wonder if he sent it from a school computer.

No one knows the facts. No one but those kids were there. It's not fair for people like you to go on here and run your mouth when you don't know half of the story. Don't believe everything you read, k? So stay out of it and let the guilty ones be punished and the innocent run free. That is all.

A "Wayne parent" who doesn't have any kids?...say what?

Fraud Alert!

Wait... so your handle is "Wayne parent" but you have no kids? Hmm... Thats interesting... I am a “Wayne parent” which means I do have children & they attend Wayne Public Schools. For the record, my kids do not & have not played football at WHHS. As I suggested in my response to your earlier diatribe, the problem with this whole fiasco is people hastily posting hearsay as fact & allowing their gut emotions to cloud their judgment when they are not close to & don't have the facts of the case. I am NOT suggesting that any individual found guilty of a crime be let off the hook. I am simply a proponent of allowing the system to work. Once all the facts have been gathered and processed, punishment MUST be rendered & those who are guilty MUST be held accountable for their actions. However, even the BOE in its decision admitted that due to the ongoing investigation, the Wayne PD did not release any info to them nor did they disclose to the BOE on what grounds charges were filed against these students. So without the facts at their disposal it would seem to me that the BOE was not in a position to pass judgement on these kids. When the facts are all in & some of the 9 suspended players are vindicated of any wrong doing, how do you propose we give them back the opportunity to play in the game they diligently prepared for all their lives? A more measured response, based on the facts available at the time the decision was to be rendered would have better served the cause of justice.

GET THE FACTS RIGHT BEFORE YOU START SPREADING RUMORS!!!! You are making it seem like this boy blew the air horn on purpose!!!! It was an ACCIDENT!!! The articles even say that!! People make mistakes, stop dwelling on them. YOU weren't there, YOU don't know, so YOU should stop running your mouth! Please and thank you.

Frank, you have no idea what you are talking about.

John What don't you understand about the school not being a court of justice? I understand you might not agree with that, but that is what it is.

OK WAYNE IS OFFICIALLY NOW THE TWILIGHT ZONE!!!!!!
S!!!!!!!!!!, I fully understand that the schools are not a court of justice. That fact does not relieve school administrators or the BOE from acting responsibly in dispensing the school's equivalent of "justice". Is it your opinion that it is ok for a few innocent students to get hurt if they happen to be the collateral damage of an effort to ensure that the guilty get expeditiously punished???? "Court of Justice" or not, that just doesn't seem fair or productive to me.

No John, not my opinion, written in black and white in the School's HIB policy and code of conduct. Also written in the State's HIB policy . While I know you are very biased for some reason, it takes a big person to stand up and tell someone they did wrong and must accept the consequences. If more people like you did that, we would have less people disobeying the rules.

Frank,
Perhaps you would like to elaborate on your understanding of the FACTS related to the events that took place at the WHHS spirit week pep rally? Can you please explain how you are tying the "---- the police chorus" to Coach Olsen or the Football Team???? (Spirit Week is not specifically a football related event and is comprised of the entire student body of WHHS not just football players...)

John,
I guess it was FACT for Mr. Roth to include it in his sworn "under oath" statement to the Administrative Court Judge. Unless that too was a fabrication? hmmm
When do the excuses stop and a humble "mia culpa" begin?

ZERO accountability is that what is being instructed???

Frank, I didn't say it didn't happen... I simply stated that the spirit week pep rally is not specifically a football event and what went on at the rally was not driven by Olsen or by the football team as you clearly imply. For that reason I concluded that you were either ill informed or purposefully disseminating misinformation. For Spirit Week at WHHS, each class, (Freshman, Sophomore, Junior and Senior) selects a name/theme for their grade...(this by the way, was done well in advance of the incident on Urban Club Road on 10/29) At the spirit week pep rally there is a healthy and robust sense of class spirit in support of your own grade. in a good natured but spirited manner, Seniors boo juniors, juniors boo sophomores, everyone boos the freshmen, etc. This year the Junior Class selected the name/theme "Purple Police". The booing or "chorus" as you put it ,was directed at the Junior Class (not the Wayne PD) by the entire remaining student body of WHHS. The football team had nothing more to do with this than the rest of the student body and animosity toward the Wayne PD had nothing to do with this. In an effort to indict the football program and crucify Olsen, you, sir, presented a very warped version of the FACTS.

I suggest you go back and re-read my prior response... you are missing the point entirely. Surely you are smarter than you seem.

@Wayne Parent - we are wasting valuable breath!

Remember the quote from the movie the Sixth Sense " I see dead people"
can be modified for today's sports program mentality to "I see BRAIN dead people"

John and the rest of the "Hillstown" koolaid drinking cult will never get it. We are wasting our time trying to have them see the proverbial light.

Frank, It is you and your ilk sir who will never get it....I am not an apologist for bad behavior, just a proponent of fact based justice and allowing the justice system to work as it was intended. Those ultimately found to be guilty should and will be held accountable. To prematurely rush to judgement and unfairly impose punishment on even one potentially innocent student athlete in an effort to appease the mob mentality of misinformed public sentiment is un American and a travesty.

the kids should be applauded for their collective efforts!

Frank!!!!!!!! Finally you've typed something worth your key strokes!!!!!! Congratulations Sir!

John,
I, nor any level headed person for that matter have never come out and SAID any or all the "11" kids are guilty or innocent. That is the point your missing. The court of LAW will ultimately decide their fate. What we and the courts to date have said time and time again is that when it comes to extra-curricular activities it is an obvious privilege that can be "stripped"and "taken away" given the circumstances. For a sad minority of ill informed adults to indignantly "hide behind" and challenge "due process" in order to play a high school football game is absurd and down right "UN-AMERICAN". Ask the general population outside of your football bubble at Wayne Hills how the "world" views this story. You may be shocked at how SHALLOW your perception is being perceived.

Frank, I fully understand that the courts will ultimately rule on these charges and that school extracurriculars are a "privilege". Neither of those simple facts are beyond my grasp. Those facts, however, do not relieve school administrators or the BOE from acting responsibly when it comes to granting or denying individual students said privileges. Apparently it is your opinion that it's ok for a few innocent students to get hurt if they happen to be the collateral damage of an effort to ensure that the guilty get expeditiously punished. That just doesn't seem fair or productive to me. If or when some of the nine suspended players are found to be innocent of the charges against them, what will the BOE say to them then? Ooh, Sorry? You trivialize the punishment of being suspended from "just a high school football game" as if these students haven't invested years of dedicated time, effort, sweat and sacrifice to get to play at that level. Clearly you haven't similarly invested of yourself in any worthwhile endeavor or you would likely not be so quick to trivialize others hard work and dedication. And for the record I DO NOT reside in the Wayne Hills High School Football bubble you refer to. I have no horse in this race. I'm simply a proponent of fairness, even when its unpopular or politically inexpedient.

Frank, there is no use commenting to a piece of wood anymore.(I'm sure you know who I am talking about) LOL

@ S
Yes you are correct and actually with a piece of wood you can shape it, mold it, build with it and turn into something with societal value! Here is a lost cause!

s and Frank, I've come to the conclusion that neither of you is a parent or if you do have children, perhaps your kids never invested their heart and soul into a sustained, committed effort to attain anything worthwhile. If you had children and your children had ever invested time, effort and dedication toward a discipline they were passionate about, you most certainly would not think it was ok to have it unfairly taken away on the basis of erroneous allegations. You both have shown your true colors in your assertion that because I don't walk in lock step with your misguided views, that somehow I am of no societal value....very typical of your ilk...When others express points of view that differ from your own, you are quick to dismiss them as ignorant or valueless. I must say I'm not at all surprised that your argument degraded to insults and name calling. Have a pleasant evening.

John,

Here is a parting gift for you. My son who 16, is a junior in HS has worked extremely hard dedicating himself to his studies and balancing that with soccer and other club activities. With Ivy league schools knocking at his doorstep, I, with a true sense of pride, can attest without compromise that his intelligence, moral compass and compassion defines him as a humble, hardworking, committed human being. My daughter happens to be a sophomore at a highly ranked university studying Marketing. She too defines the word "driven". Driven to excel at every level in her life with class and compassion for others. It's been a pleasure!

John, now that you have stooped so low to attack me personally, I will tell you that yes, I am a parent, and yes, a parent of a son who plays varsity football. He and I know the rules of the team and the school. My son was brought up to accept responsibility for his actions, regardless of how stupid or serious they are. If he were involved in such an incident, I would pull him from the game myself, before the coach could get to him. If the grades of our players are too low, they are suspended, if they mouth off on the field, they are suspended. They are brought up to have integrity and respect for their school, their coaches and their teammates, hence, they are expected to uphold a fine reputation. Opinions are just that, opinions, but when someone presents me with black and white facts, I am able to take them into consideration even though I may not like them. I suggest you do your research on the Board of Ed HIB policies and codes of conduct although based on your comments I feel that you are a person who just cant accept certain rules.

Congrats Frank for your outstanding values as a parent I only wish more people were like you and I!

Bravo @Truthseeker!

Truthseeker The joy of accomplishing something as a team is a wonderful thing to experience. The Wayne Hills Football team dedicated time, energy and hard work in order to accomplish yet another victory. Why is it so hard to say "good job we are proud of what you accomplished"? So much negativity toward students who worked hard and achieved their goal. I don't understand how a tremendous and hard earned victory can be construed as a bad thing by so many people.

Bravo Bill Brennan!!!!!

Agreed Bill Brennan! And YES the people who are making EXCUSES as to why these boys had an unbelievable victory ARE jealous! The Wayne Hills Football team deserved this, and to go to the extent as to make excuses as to why they won and say that Fuller gave Wayne Hills the game is UNBELIEVABLE!!! Why in the world would Fuller - an amazing athelete - give up the State Title, a state ring, AND have his last pass be an intersection because he wanted to give Wayne Hills the title? Funny. BE PROUD OF THESE BOYS! This couldn't have been a more amazing victory for them!

It seems the vast majority of comments are not Wayne Hills bashing at all. They are incredulously disappointed and appalled at the coaches disregard for his obligation to discipline the actions of his players who were arrested for a felony. And gfor the BOE's embarrassing back and forth waffling. I mean who does that? the whole thinkg was so ridiculous it made national news who made fun of us (Wayne)! And lets not forget the nine boys and their parents are still suing the BOE. What nerve! Wayne is supposed to start healing with that still looming? Jeesh.

The remaining players won the title without the nine arrested for a felony. Now that is poetic justice. And just a feel-good job well-done. I see very little on here wishing the remaining players ill will. Thats a deliberate spin.

@S -

Ditto!

are these the players or the coach's consequences??

I can't picture any of the high-school coaches doing anything differently in our years of playing. If the same situations were handed to coach Polito, or coach Gifford, at Wayne Hills, believe the outcome would have been the same. The only thing that I can see that is different is the students "today" seem to get a kick out of bashing each other's schools, coaches, and programs.
Because of the league re alignment, all 3 Wayne teams were thrown into the same bucket, which has to be very confusing in itself. Not because they're competing aganist each other, because they are 3 separate programs, competing for the same "town" prize. The students are earning the awards for themselves and their schools, and people standing on the sidelines are screaming that the prizes reflect the entire town, not just one part of it.
We're showing up with 1 book and expecting 3 students to share it at the same time, in 3 different corners of the class room. At some point, of course they're going to fight over it, especially when we tell them only the highest test score get's the award. Eliminate the problem. Put Wayne Hills back in the NBIL.

The NBIL doesn't exist anymore.

If the BOE were to manipulate the enrollments, then WV & WH would be placed in different groups and would not meet in football. WV is the largest Group 3 in their section, just 24 students short of of the smallest Group 4 school.

But, if WV was bumped up to G4, then they could end up playing Bosco and Bergen.

It is sort of difficult to focus on "the need for effective leadership" when the nine players arrested for a felony are still suing the Board of Education.

I also think that most of the name-calliong on the Patch postings were done by the Olsen suppposrters toward the ppl outraged over the behavior of the BOE, Coach and adults in the matter displaying poor leadership and refusal to do the right thing.

@dude - people who haven't coached in these situations don't know the difference between scoring a lot of points, and running up the score. You don't have a lot of options - so you run plays, nothing crazy, the other team has to make tackles - not a lot to expect from a football team - plus, in HS, the clock runs once the lead is 35 or more to mitigate the situation somewhat.

@ NIcole Cakir

WOW. That took a lot of courage to come out and say that in a public forum like this one. Your honesty and candid observations should inspire your fellow classmates to stand up and say "we have had enough".

Thank you!

If Olsen and his suspended boys had half the courage you have shown in your post, Wayne would not be a national disgrace. Its nice to know the
"HILLS" are alive with those like you who are not afraid. I wish you the best Nicole, and if you get any flak from anyone go public immediately.

Nicile - Thank you for your direct perspective. I think many of the defenders that blog on here need to hear your first hand experience.

Nicole - well said - I'm proud of you for your comments!

This is a gross generalization. It's unfortunate that your experience was as you've described. I can tell you with absolute certainty it does not apply to all players and it's unfair to characterize the whole team in this way. Condemning an entire group for the actions of a few...doesn't seem right to me.

Nicole, you are a bright young lady who is mature beyond her years. How refreshing to hear your comments. You will go on to do great things in society!

out of the mouths of babes.
thank you nicole.

@ Nicole Cakie

What, in your opinion, is the general consensus of the student body at Wayne Hills?

@ Nicole -

You are well on your way to leading your school and classmates beyond a "state tittle". Nicole, by standing up and making your voice heard, you are the true "CHAMPION" here. I can only say that your parents must be so proud of you!
Our thoughts and prayers are with you as you begin your quest to "heal" by seeking accountability and respectability from coaches, students, parents and administrators .

You said " I've had football players in my classes& can say from personal experience that Olsen teaches those boys to self serving, arrogant, pompous assholes. He thinks he is invincible & teaches his players that they are the same. That they are above everyone else.They are above the system & the rules don't apply to them"

I said that is a gross generalization. And it is. You did not specify 9 players - read what you wrote.

btw - you have no idea if the other names are actual names or screen names. You should know that - there might be an exception or two, but, for example, how do you know if "Frank" is actually named "Frank", and then, what's his last name?

@notwhoyouthink

Maybe you should show some compassion for what Nicole has experienced while attending Hills. Instead you continue to attempt to deflect responsibility for the actions of the football "PROGRAM". Maybe you would like her to be SPECIFIC. Would you like her to name names? Andrew Monaghan Or will initials suffice? R.A., R.K., T.Z., C.R., R.S., N.G., C.K., M.S., You are a sad excuse for an adult and or parent. If I were you I would be asking her how to help change the current culture of the "PROGRAM" but nooooooooo in your eye's everything is just peachy the way it is.

FYI- My name is Frank and has been since my birth... unlike yours.

@Nicole Cakir

That was so well said. You are so right! I think you would make a great "national" spokesperson for your school and community.

Nicole,
You truly are the blast of fresh air needed to clear the stench in Olsens office, and the football lockers in Wayne Hills.

nicole, i have a lot of respect for you! i spoke up for what i thought was right when i was in high school , as i do now as well. you're going places kiddo! i also put my kids in a time out if and when they push other kids down on the playground, lol.

hey frank....boardwalk empire was really good again don't you think? be careful replying to this becasue apparently the mere mention of it is really ruffling the beligerent feathers of some relative of one of the naughty nine's!

Dory,

EMPIRE: It was such a great season finale! I can't wait to see what happens next.

Ron,

She is way too OVER qualified for the position!

I too am amazed that Vergano hasn't checked in on this as yet. I guess he's just being a politician here and is putting his party or his reelection possibities before the townspeople. If he checks in and takes a side, he's going to make enemies and lose votes. It reminds me of the saying, Be quiet and be thought of as a fool, or speak and leave no doubt......or something like that. Since this incident has created somewhat of a division in this town...Hills vs Valley, I do think he should have checked in on this and done something positive to help ease the tensions in town, I guess he'd rather get reelected than do what's right!

So Jessica when did you take that head count? So by my count we are 34 suspensions short!!!

As for the wind turbine, a rumor reported Olsen objected to the outcome of the vote. It seems a certain Coach has been blowing wind up everybody's @$$ in Wayne for a number of years already. The BOE heard from 60 suited football players who all stood up at attested to a strong wind they felt around their HS everyday. One player added whenever the wind blew, we had to inhale deeply. It was also reported one player submitted a letter anonymously, he wrote: After one practice session 2 players were found unconscious, a strong methane odor was detected at the time. It was reported to police and still under investigated. However 9 suspects were believed to be the source. Attorneys for those under investigation repeated that they are innocent, and were of state at the time of the gas release. The Coach supporting the release of all gases, later emailed a concerned citizen.
"You are a coward in every sense of the word it is easy to run your mouth when u don’t know the facts it Email has made it easy for spineless people like you to attack and slander people I would love to speak with you face to face and review the facts"

The concerned citizen declined the meeting stating "Maybe a new wind turbine is just what we need right now"

Sorry Ron. "The 45 kids" was the facts the 911 caller gave - but you didn't read the article, or listen to the 911 call like every-one else. No, you just "spewed".

John, I actually agree with you 100% on this issue!!!

JOHN.... thank god you just hit a very important nail on the head. NO ONE should be off the hook on this. I agree with you too!

FYI- NO axe to grind... society needs accountability and all the parties need to come forward and admit wrong doing. Leave no stone unturned.

John, I agree with you as well. The party, was the genesis of this incident. I believe the party parents have at the very least culpability in this matter and a good attorney will name them as a party to a civil suit. Where it goes from there is anybody's guess. An incident like this is not real good on your insurance history. They may get cancelled by their insurer and may find it difficult to obtain reasonably priced insurance for awhile.

I have said too many times to count how disappointed I am in how the parents have behaved. That includes being complicit in the kids' underage drinking. Why wasn't someone held accountable for minors drinking alcohol at an adult's home? Good question! There are MANY things wrong with this whole story. Olsen is only one part of it.

THANK YOU!!! Whoever you are!! they will all get "IT" when it ALLL comes out!!

Frank..........You agree with everyone...........get a backbone and stick to it!! OMG!!
you're for.......you're against..........WAIT...........are you the MAYOR????

lol!

Looks like there is hope John!

Nice first post! A beautifully written entry into the forum, a true classic. I suspect a few glasses of wine tonight will find you back here tweeting.

Couldn't have said this better myself Bill!

Wayne police dept should be ashamed!!! I know a few...............Screw um!! WE won without them too!!

It's Okay. Everything went very well.
I didn't see him at the game either. It doesn't mean he wasn't there, he could have been sitting on the Old Tappan side with the Wayne Valley and Depaul parents.

So yesterday I get an email from the Wayne Valley Booster Club asking for donations to help a family cover costs of a funeral and other expenses. Im just wondering, do I send the check to the Old Tappan Booster Club ?
This is the kind of nonsense we're getting from our Mayor, our Chief of Police, and our Board of Education President.
Because of "them", the community cannot pull itself together on the major issues like Education, Welfare, Flooding, and Representation.
It's time to bring in the clowns.

Wow I have NEVER heard of a football team getting a police escort to the stadium. Who pays for that?

Bill, I'm sure the Wayne Police Department had it reasons for not providing an escort. It certainly is a question that needs to be asked and answered. We can speculate that an escort could be misconstrued in any number of ways. Perhaps it was nothing more than maintaining a level of impartiality in a time of controversy.

Bill, I agree with you as well. Just doesn't make any sense! Is Vergano a Valley graduate?

Getting a police escort to and from the stadium is a Wayne Hills tradition and the Wayne PD should be upset with themselves knowing that the didn't believe in the team.

@Darlene Tanis-Noonan-

I have not flip flopped at all on the issues at hand here. What I did do is merely agree with John when he pointed out parents "hosting" drinking parties should also take the heat!
So please, go and take your cheerleader "rah- rah" Coach Olsen "pom poms" elsewhere. We need more courageous role models like Nicole Cakir to stand up for moral values and common decency and make their voices heard. Enough with your
"Screw um!! WE won without them too!!" attitude, do you not hear how ignorant you sound? Have some class... help find solutions for the problems that exist.

Willy. Cave into bullying? The police escort to a championship game is a tradition. The players who went to that game had nothing to do with the incident (If you recall the 9 arrestees were suspended from the game).

The alleged "chant" had nothing to do with law enforcement, the HS set up spirit week and held a competition between grades. The juniors were the Purple Police. The only teacher to testify about the incident said is was not a chant and had ZERO to do with the incident. On top of that NO ONE SAID IT WAS THE FOOTBALL TEAM WHO EVEN yelled the lyrics to that song.

You should be more concerned that someone misled an OAL Judge in order to achieve a result.

No problem Pat-count me in. As long as the unity that is expected for one, is the same that should be expected for all. Would the same gifts be offered for a defense lawyer for any of the accused at Wayne Hills ? I don't think so !
A present, we have families on both sides of town asking for help and understanding. For different reasons of course, but the pleas are the same. Yet the decisions to offer are met with different reactions.
Your saying that "only the football families were asked" was nonsense. I was informed my the Lacross booster club first, and I don't have any children in Wayne Schools.
You resent my post, but not your own.
I donate to all Wayne Booster Clubs not just yours. and by the way, my chidlren are home-schooled, so that means I donate my portion of school tax in my property taxes as well. Your Turn !!!

Pat - well said!!

did they have a fund raiser, was it a success? i hope so.

Thank-you Pat.
Then you can undertand that I'm on the side of the residents and homeowners that don't have students in our schools. Those, the people who have to tolerate the immaturity of our youth. Those that have no responsibilty or dont understand what it is to be accountable for their own actions. You know, the ones that constantly rely on everybody else, because they have no idea how to do it themselves.
Those that laugh at punishment, failure, and the errors of other's. Those that think it's all one big joke, and those that don't know when to call for unity, to combine all of the available resourses for the common good of the entire community.
Right now, our community is suffering from a devastating loss and suffering of 3 children, and "those" will depend on a call to arms by a football booster club.
Yet, not long ago, a melee breaks out on some side street after a party, and "those" turned to every local, county and state enforcement agency in the New Jersey. Never giving any thought about the people who live here and defend the good on all issues, not only the ones that "those" think is a personal priority.
This issue at Wayne Valley should be receiving the attention Wayne Hills is receiving, and the students in Wayne all have the power to do it, but I dont think they have the instinctive knowledge to take on such a responsibility.
It's time for them to band together and prove me wrong.